Advice

[cursivenight]

Okay, I need some advice because I'm not sure what to do. My brain kind of ceases to function when I think about this topic because I'm so undecided.

Almost a year ago I left my old barn and went to a small boarding barn. I absolutely love it. It's quiet, Ringo is ESTATIC there, the people are wonderful, and they are knowledge and truly care about their horses. I also get to kind of work there, and it has pretty nice facilities. I do not, and will not move barns.

I moved with my trainer, and he is truly an awesome teacher. He can be really harsh, and kind of blunt, but he is the best instructor I've had, most of the time anyways lol. And I haven't gotten a pole or crop thrown at me, so I'm ahead of some of his other students lol.

Our conflicting schedules (mostly his shows and stuff) have led me to have about 10 lessons with him since February. And I got my horse in September, and we did NOT have a smooth trip. Actually, according to my current trainer, I skipped tow horses to get to my current one. (I went from a justaboveschool horse to Ringo...) But he said my worth ethic and passion made him sure I could do it.

Also, at the last two shows (February and January or something), I felt like I had done nothing right. I've never owned a horse before - Ringo is my first. I'm still learning. I got yelled at by both him and my dad about alot of things - they actually made me cry, and I never ever cry.

There's been a lot of times I've been afraid to ride Ringo, because of his bucking. From September to about February or March, Ringo and I had good days and bad days, more bad then good the earlier you go. He likes to buck -when hes happy or mad. I've never ridden a bucking horse. Alot of times I stayed on, sometimes I didn't. Indoors it never hurt because our footing is so deep - I've fallen off about 5 or 6 times inside. I've always gotten back on, and I've ridden out more of his bucks then fallen.

Outside he's gotten me off twice - once last night. It hurts alot, and right now I have a swollen back, gravellish road burn thingers on my arms and back, and I'm feeling completely ungood. lol.

On the ground Ringo and I have a really good relationship, and generally I'm confident in the saddle, especially when we jump - Ringo and I are good at that. HE can jump the moon, and he makes me look good. He has never refused with me, and that's one of the best thing about him - how he loves to jump.

At shows though he gets so hyper and wound up that I was literally TERRIFIED of riding him - in a 2'6 class! Well, Jumper anyways cause I'm new at that and he was new to me. Now I'm okay, casue I've figured him out.

But I need to have lessons, and I need instruction with Ringo. I don't know that my current trainer is giving me that. Also, I've done two hunter shows (smmmallll ones) and I want to do a little more hunter, higher. I've jumped Ringo around 4'0 - he was amazing. He concentrates on his job when the fences are bigger. We actually rode a course and he LOVED it. He did kick out but out of happiness, and it wasn't an actual buck.

I know I'm going to fall off, that's a given, but I don't know if I shoudl get a new trainer or...I don't know. My confidence has taken a fall because I thought I'd finally figured Ringo out, at least in his bucking thing. I can stay on most of the time, and he usually doesn't buck, this is the first time in a long while. BUt after the 5th buck I was smack in the dirt, and I've never even been told exactly what to DO when he bucks. That's part of the problem.

So does anyone have any advice? For bucking or training or trainers or anythign?

[Wild Horsefeathers]

When my horse bucks, I just pull his head up and keep pushing him through it. Here's a good article from another website:

HC article:
http://horsecity.com/stories/061906/tra_mm_bucking.shtml

Riding the Better Side of Bucking
By Ron Meredith
President, Meredith Manor Int. Equestrian Center
Posted: Monday, June 19, 2006
WAVERLY, WV -- Bucking is a mythunderstood horse activity. Most people look at bucking as an ornery habit, something the horse does when he's trying to get out of work. Or when he just doesn't feel like cooperating at that moment for some reason or another. However, if you think about bucking as an activity drive that you can channel into behaviors you want instead of behaviors you don't want, then it's not necessarily a bad thing.

From the horse's perspective, bucking is usually a defense mechanism. The horse feels a degree of pressure he perceives as an attack or some sort of annoyance. The horse may feel bothered physically or mentally. It really doesn't matter because he'll react the same either way. When a horse feels threatened in front of the secondary line of influence that runs through his shoulders, he'll bring his head up, shift his weight back and either strike out with his front feet or spin and run away. When he feels bothered from behind his secondary line, his natural response is to drop his head and kick out behind. In other words, he bucks.

The horse will buck to the degree he feels he needs to buck in order to relieve whatever degree of attack or harassment pressure he's feeling at the time. In the old days, people "broke" green horses by fighting with them and riding through all their bucking until all their activity drive was spent and the horse was so tired he couldn't fight any more. The horse was supposed to learn that bucking didn't work to relieve the attack pressures he felt when a rider got on his back. Breaking is about teaching the horse what not to do.

If a horse bucks to relieve a pressure he feels and he succeeds in tossing his rider, the horse gets rewarded for bucking because the pressure goes away. When we go to train a horse rather than to break him, we still need to be sure we can ride through whatever he does so that he doesn't find bucking rewarding. However, we recognize that it takes a really athletic horse to buck and we want to harness that athletic activity drive and turn it into something useful. We don't try to ride through the bucking until we use up all his activity drive.

When we train horses rather than breaking them, we want teach them what to do rather than what not to do. So instead of looking at bucking as some kind of disobedience or orneriness we don't want any part of, we look at bucking as just another dynamic, athletic movement like jumping a high fence or doing a sliding stop. Instead of thinking about how to discourage it, we want to develop control over it so we can ask for that kind of dynamic activity whenever we want it.

When a horse goes to buck, he tries to put his head down so he can shift his weight onto his front end. If he succeeds in doing that, then he can focus on releasing a big burst of energy drive out through his hind end. This all happens in a second or two and for that second or two, the horse's forward motion ceases. So before he actually gets a buck off, the horse gives us three warning signals, or three chances, to capture the energy he wants to put into bucking and redirect it somewhere else.

Heeding teaches you to keep your attention on your horse at all times so he will keep his attention on you. If you've learned how to heed your horse on the ground you've learned to watch and direct every stride. And when you're in the saddle, you've learned to ride every stride with a full corridor of horse logical directional aids.

So as soon as you feel the horse starting to duck his head and shift his weight onto his forehand, you squeeze the horse with your legs to ask him to keep moving forward in the same rhythm as before. If you missed his first signal and you start to feel his forward energy slowing down and moving backward, you squeeze with your legs and ask him to keep moving forward in the same rhythm. Let's say you were really not paying attention and you missed those first two signals. Now the horse's forward motion has stopped completely and he's just on the verge of blasting a kick to the rear. The solution is still the same. Squeeze the horse forward with both legs in the same squeeze and release rhythm you were riding before the two of you got distracted.

Of course, you're riding the horse with a full corridor of aids, not just your legs. So you're still following the motion of the horse's head with your hands with just enough of a momentary added pressure to ask him not to put his head down for that weight shift. Your stomach and back stay soft, following the horse's motion. You continue to rhythmically drive with your corridor of aids, relax and allow the stride, then drive, relax, drive, relax, etc., etc.

As you and the horse discuss just whether his activity drive should be focused forward or backward, you may feel like you're riding a rocking horse for a stride or two. Remember that a rocking chair doesn't keeping rocking unless you keep it rocking. When a horse starts to buck, a lot of people try to stop the movement of his head. Don't freeze the motion of your hands or pull back. Allow forward motion with your hands and keep your back and seat relaxed. If you tighten up, you become a spring that the horse's exaggerated motion will bounce right out of the saddle.

Some people advise that if a horse likes to buck when he's fresh out of his stall, you should put him in a round pen or on the end of a longe line and let him spend some of that activity drive before you start to ride. Whether or not that's a good idea depends on your goals. That may be the safest course of action for the recreational rider who doesn't have an independent seat or doesn't have the skill to coordinate a full corridor of aids and who doesn't really want or need l00 percent of what the horse can offer athletically. The rider who wants to compete at the upper levels of a sport, however, wants to keep and channel every bit of that activity drive into the horse's performance.

Now there are some horses that buck for reasons other than feeling attacked or harassed. Occasionally a horse may buck because something about his tack is causing pain that he's trying to escape. With older horses, bucking can sometimes become a game. Horses love games as much as people do. We had a horse named Punk here at Meredith Manor, for instance, who enjoyed showing riders who was really in charge. If a rider who wasn't really solid yet got after him too much, he'd buck just enough to get them loose and scared. Then, at the last second, he'd scoot under them, put them back in the saddle, and save them from total humiliation. The riders quickly got his point about who was bossing who.

If you've got a horse that bucks and you don't have the skills ride him through it, get help from a competent riding instructor until you are confident that you can. When the bucking no longer offers your horse any reward, he'll likely give it up and you'll wonder what the problem ever was.

Instructor and trainer Ron Meredith has refined his "horse logical" methods for communicating with equines over 30 years as president of Meredith Manor International Equestrian Centre (Route 1, Box 66, Waverly, WV 26184; 1-304-679-3128; http://www.meredithmanor.com), an ACCET accredited equestrian educational institution.

Have you tried asking your trainer for lessons?
Good luck!

[cursivenight]

Wow, thanks for that article, that helped alot, actually. I've never looked at it in that way. Very informative and helpful.

Yes, but he's too busy. He's at a show or something, and he works my lessons around another student's (my old barn actually) schedule. I guess the reason for that is because its a lesson barn, and I can ride anytime.