Should I or Shouldn't I?

[dubbyroxsoxs95]

So, I'm almost outgrown Dubby unfortuantly. I am doing equitation next, but its super pricey!! Should I buy a project, and train it to be fancy, and sell it, or should I just go straight for the horse, because my mommy is willing to pay 50 grand fro my next horse?

If so, here is the pony I like :]]]
http://results.bayequest.info/b001/images/78766.jpg (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:zoompic%28%2778766.jpg%27%29)http://results.bayequest.info/b001/images/Xb.gif
He's a cutie!!

[iluvcreek4vr]

I would go for the horse but its your choice...and he is very cute!!!

[mhoney05]

hes really cute!! how tall is he?

[silverleprichuan]

huh? for moms willing to shell out 50k for an eq horse and your looking at a welsh pony? You will never win in good company at an A show with a welsh.

[mhoney05]

huh? for moms willing to shell out 50k for an eq horse and your looking at a welsh pony? You will never win in good company at an A show with a welsh.
ya i was thinking he was alittle short but whatever floats your boat! hes definately pretty but id go for bigger. but whatever floats your boat

[ashleygoesrawr]

i would definitely go for the more experienced one, just because you can go and start having fun at shows right away.

or you could do like i did, and buy an expensive prospect aka quality to begin with. but whatever =)

[moniexponie]

50 grand? Holly crap. And I thought I had a high budget. But I would go for the Eq horse. Ponies are great, but once you outgrow them, it's so hard to get rid of them. So get a horse you can keep for awhile. ^^

Good luck with it.

[Barrelbabe_23]

i agree with everyone!!!lol

[HappyHorse13]

Um 50k.

Horse! You won't outgrow it.

[Raggle]

I'd go for for a horse, too. 50K? Holy Toledo that's a BIG budget! It really depends on what you'd rather do. If you want to go right into showing then a horse with experience would be best.

I am a firm believer of the fact that people should stay in their comfort zone as goes for riding, so the entire outgrowing part isn't that big of a deal to me. Now this doesn't mean I suggest somebody who is six feet tall goes out and gets a 13hh horse. There should be a set limit so that it isn't ridiculous.

If you really want to go for the gold then those who said to go for a different breed have a point I suppose. I don't really know what is popular for equitation, though.

My pony is 14hh and it isn't so bad, for example.

[ashleygoesrawr]

i'd like to point out that unfortunately nowadays 50k won't get you as far as you think =( certain areas it still will but i know down here on the texas A-circuit it's not all that insane. don't get me wrong, it's nothing to scoff at; that's a good chunk of money. but typical h/j/eq horses have become grossly overpriced in the u.s. in recent years, and inflation w/ the costs of importing has not helped. and it also sucks how money=competitiveness for the most part, but i guess thats just how it is. unless you find a gem for a reasonable price or are actually a talented rider. [okay end of my personal rant, sorry! =D]

but anyways. good luck with your search for your next horse/pony whatever you decide on =)

[silverleprichuan]

i'd like to point out that unfortunately nowadays 50k won't get you as far as you think =( certain areas it still will but i know down here on the texas A-circuit it's not all that insane. don't get me wrong, it's nothing to scoff at; that's a good chunk of money. but typical h/j/eq horses have become grossly overpriced in the u.s. in recent years, and inflation w/ the costs of importing has not helped. and it also sucks how money=competitiveness for the most part, but i guess thats just how it is. unless you find a gem for a reasonable price or are actually a talented rider. [okay end of my personal rant, sorry! =D]

but anyways. good luck with your search for your next horse/pony whatever you decide on =)



Even in inflated areas 50k can get you a heck of a lot more then a a mediocre pony like the one in the first picture.

What 50k can get you in Texas:

20k gets you a cute but green horse with possible jumping potential: http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=465915&search_id=fb0ac856-2d45-4b73-bee0-7318ae3684c3

18k get you a made jumper http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=514856&search_id=fb0ac856-2d45-4b73-bee0-7318ae3684c3

25k gets you a 3rd level dressage horse who does 3'6 courses http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=499227&search_id=fb0ac856-2d45-4b73-bee0-7318ae3684c3 :) (love this one)

[silverleprichuan]

And even more options for California:

35k gets you this stunning horse http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=496089&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

35k get you another nice jumper/eq horse http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=518659&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

15k gets you a second level dressage horse who's a champion in the jumper ring http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=518341&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

22k get you a voltarie baby http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=511049&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

42k gets a proven jumper http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=490093&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

38k gets you a jumper (probably not much of an eq horse) http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=293387&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

45k... screw eq's take this stunner into the jumper ring.... gah he's gorgeous http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=464061&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

please look at this one
18k gets you a 3'6 jumper whose gone through his B rating... what a steal http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=504030&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162&p=2

20k eq horse http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=511817&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162&p=2

[dubbyroxsoxs95]

And even more options for California:

35k gets you this stunning horse http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=496089&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

35k get you another nice jumper/eq horse http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=518659&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

15k gets you a second level dressage horse who's a champion in the jumper ring http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=518341&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

22k get you a voltarie baby http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=511049&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

42k gets a proven jumper http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=490093&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

38k gets you a jumper (probably not much of an eq horse) http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=293387&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

45k... screw eq's take this stunner into the jumper ring.... gah he's gorgeous http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=464061&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162

please look at this one
18k gets you a 3'6 jumper whose gone through his B rating... what a steal http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=504030&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162&p=2

20k eq horse http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=511817&search_id=a8e14b4e-cddb-46f3-8554-c2acb9ddb162&p=2

I know the 35 and 38k horses. I competed against both and some of my best friends ride them. The first one is being ridden by a catch rider--and he is really bratty at home. The second one in Napa is hopelss. He has broken so many times over the past few years, no wonder they're trying to sell him!

[mhoney05]

seriously you know them? thats crazy

[silverleprichuan]

I know the 35 and 38k horses. I competed against both and some of my best friends ride them. The first one is being ridden by a catch rider--and he is really bratty at home. The second one in Napa is hopelss. He has broken so many times over the past few years, no wonder they're trying to sell him!



The horse is 15k less then your budget, put a couple grand into ground work with a cowboy and he'll be an angel. This horse really looks like a good bargin.

USEF standings
Olivia Fournier , Gentry, 11 th Children's Hunter
End of the year standings
Olivia Fournier , Gentry, 8 th Hunt Seat Equitation 14 & under, Region 2, Reserve Champion
NORCAL end of year standings
Olivia Fournier , Gentry, Third Children's Hunter 14-17, Fourth Junior/Amateur Modified Hunters, Eighth Equitation 12-14,
Wine country classic
Olivia Fournier, Gentry, Champion Children's Hunters 14-17 and Reserve Champions in Junior Eq 17&U
gold rush
Olivia Fournier, Gentry, Reserve Champion Children's Hunters
woodside summer festival
Olivia Fournier and Gentry : Reserve Champion Junior Modified Hunters, Reserve Champion Children's Hunters
Olivia Fournier and Gentry: Children's Hunter Champion, Modified Junior Amateur Hunter Champion
Olivia Fournier and Gentry -Champion Children's Hunter, Reserve Champion Equitation 12-14
Olivia Fournier & Gentry, Reserve Champion Childrens Hunter 17&U and Reserve Champion Jr/Am Modified


A talented show horse is rarely going to be well-mannered at home unless you put in the time and effort to ensure they don't get sore and bratty.

[silverleprichuan]

http://www.exchangehj.com/listings/diegoRivera.htm

http://www.exchangehj.com/listings/easyDecision.htm

check out bigeq.com



http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1039479

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1105494

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1099699

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1099971 (would need work but i like her look)

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1092375

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1094740 (a good match)

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1092898

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1086961

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1084000

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1074501

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1075842

[BigStarLover]

I really an not a fan of ponies !!!!


Horse are AWESOME



GO FOR THE HORSE !!!!

[moniexponie]

Holly CRAP Taylor - You were on a roll! lol Man, they all made me drool. oO

If Tannis doesn't pass her vet check, I'm going to come to you. lol

[silverleprichuan]

Holly CRAP Taylor - You were on a roll! lol Man, they all made me drool. oO

If Tannis doesn't pass her vet check, I'm going to come to you. lol


lol thanks. Although I love my baby and cannot imagine owning another horse I still love to browse upper level eventers and eq horses so I know how to find some nice ones in a hurry.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Tannis but if things don't work out I certainly would be more than willing to give you a hand.

[DixieGirl]

I would get the horse because some horses you can't outgrow. Like get a horse thats in the 15.2--16.0 hands because you can't out grow them. But what ever choice you make will be good! ;)

[moniexponie]

lol thanks. Although I love my baby and cannot imagine owning another horse I still love to browse upper level eventers and eq horses so I know how to find some nice ones in a hurry.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Tannis but if things don't work out I certainly would be more than willing to give you a hand.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's been so hard for me looking at horses online when I still have the pony at the barn. I almost feel like I'm betraying him, which I know sounds pretty stupid, but I can't help it. I love him so much, and I'm really hoping to find a good home for him. <3

Thanks - second vet check is tomorrow! -cross fingers-

[moniexponie]

Just because she wants to buy a pony/horse and sell it doesn't mean she isn't horse-crazy. You can have an unbreakable bond with a horse for a short time. Hell, you can have many bonds with many different horses - it just broadens your riding horizon. Plus I believe it makes you a better horse person and rider.

Having only one horse forever is great too, but isn't having many diffferent horses that you love forever good too? I almost think it's better, because so many special creatures touch you in so many different ways.

Just a thought.

[cursivenight]

It all depends on what you want from your equine partner, your finances, and your schedule. Is it fair to keep every horse you've owned in a pasture when they could make another person happy, and win more, or whatever? I don't think so. And if you had 100 horses, there is no way in hell you could spend the correct amount of time with each of them everyday.

Of course it all depends on what you used them for.

If you want to show, very badly, and want to WIN, then if you're too big for your pony, or you've outgrown your horse in its abilities, you need to move up. Most people simply can't afford to keep two horses, and most people don't ahve time to ride two - especially during school. Also unless under special circumstances I don't think its fair to shove your horse in a pasture just because you don't have time to ride it or have a new horse or whatever. It doesn't work that way. Now, if you're lucky and you can work out a half lease or other arrangement, great, but if you can't selling can be the best option.

Also, if you switch disiplines or whatever, you may need to sell your horse if it cannot do that disipline, or has more potential in another area.

And of course if you cannot ride the horse, handle it, or whatever, or do not have the time required to keep the horse happy and fit, you should sell it, and get more of a backyard horse. It all depends on the situation. A person is not not horse crazy just because they sell their horse.

Riding more horses makes you ride better, and building bonds with them helps you learn. Just because you love them doesn't mean you have to own them, or keep them your whole life. Love is taking care of them while you have them. And remember, sometimes the best way of showing 'love' is letting something go.

[dubbyroxsoxs95]

Well I just though if I bought the pony-- and trained it to be super fancy, like someone in my barn who bought a pony and she is hoping to sell it for 100k (he's worth every penny!), and so if I made that kind of money, I could almost buy any horse I want!!

I could even go to Holland or Canada to get a horse.

Just a thought :]]]

[musiccraze777]

Lol. I have never seen one that expensive, but that would be nice! The most expensive one I saw I wanted was $9,500, but I guess I don't have super expensive taste?

If you want one around that expensive, get the pony.

[silverleprichuan]

Well I just though if I bought the pony-- and trained it to be super fancy, like someone in my barn who bought a pony and she is hoping to sell it for 100k (he's worth every penny!), and so if I made that kind of money, I could almost buy any horse I want!!

I could even go to Holland or Canada to get a horse.

Just a thought :]]]

Training does not make a horse worth 100k. Several years of showing at Ocala, Pebble Beach, Devon, Hampton, etc and placing in good company can make a horse worth 100k.
The pony pictured does not look like a potential AA winner to me.
Most of these horses would be around 50k-125k. To get 100k for your prospect you would have to sell it for around 175K to cover all of your boarding, showing, and training expenses. Does your prospect look like it will be worth 50k to 125k MORE than these ponies?
http://www.rollingwoodsfarm.com/rwf-champs.html
http://rabbithillfarm9.com/Sale1.htm
http://www.clovermeade.com/showingCWP.htm
Most hunter ponies sold are not sold for a profit because to make a profit they would have to sell for triple their worth. A week at Ocala can easily run 15k, is your family ready to shell out that much for a week where your prospect might not even place?
I know ONE women who turned her $300 pony into an 65k pony but it's taken 7 years and over a hundred shows (he's never placed below third), he's 100% bombproof, beginner safe, clips, loads, ties, ground ties, can pony other horses, swims, goes through, around, and under anything. This pony is incredibly well-known in our region for eventing because he can clean up the Beginner novice division (2'6)... oh yeah, he's also 10.3 Hands.
Super ponies like this one can be worth their weight in gold even though they aren't hack winners but they have to be the complete package with a good show record before anyone would even stop and consider paying that much.

I think it's wonderful that your friend thinks she's trained a 100k pony, and maybe she's been lucky enough to find one. The hope of the pony pictured turning around quickly enough for enough money to cover your expenses is very very very slim.

Instead of trying to get a 100k, why not settle for 50k and get a horse now? If you sold your horse at its current worth and added 50k to that you will have no trouble finding a nice made horse who can place in good company but maybe not AA, or find a wonderful prospect capable of placing at the AA with more training and experience.

You can find a nice prospect who could take you far for 15-25k if you are willing to put in some work. My mare is a proven Prelim winner, training Training level, never refuses, 10+ mover, etc and we paid 6500 because she's a hard ride. If you are willing to work hard and put time into a horse, you can find incredible bargains. Moreover, what is the fun of getting a perfect horse and just hanging on for the course? We are called riders not passengers for a reason.

[dubbyroxsoxs95]

Training does not make a horse worth 100k. Several years of showing at Ocala, Pebble Beach, Devon, Hampton, etc and placing in good company can make a horse worth 100k.
The pony pictured does not look like a potential AA winner to me.
Most of these horses would be around 50k-125k. To get 100k for your prospect you would have to sell it for around 175K to cover all of your boarding, showing, and training expenses. Does your prospect look like it will be worth 50k to 125k MORE than these ponies?
http://www.rollingwoodsfarm.com/rwf-champs.html
http://rabbithillfarm9.com/Sale1.htm
http://www.clovermeade.com/showingCWP.htm
Most hunter ponies sold are not sold for a profit because to make a profit they would have to sell for triple their worth. A week at Ocala can easily run 15k, is your family ready to shell out that much for a week where your prospect might not even place?
I know ONE women who turned her $300 pony into an 65k pony but it's taken 7 years and over a hundred shows (he's never placed below third), he's 100% bombproof, beginner safe, clips, loads, ties, ground ties, can pony other horses, swims, goes through, around, and under anything. This pony is incredibly well-known in our region for eventing because he can clean up the Beginner novice division (2'6)... oh yeah, he's also 10.3 Hands.
Super ponies like this one can be worth their weight in gold even though they aren't hack winners but they have to be the complete package with a good show record before anyone would even stop and consider paying that much.

I think it's wonderful that your friend thinks she's trained a 100k pony, and maybe she's been lucky enough to find one. The hope of the pony pictured turning around quickly enough for enough money to cover your expenses is very very very slim.

Instead of trying to get a 100k, why not settle for 50k and get a horse now? If you sold your horse at its current worth and added 50k to that you will have no trouble finding a nice made horse who can place in good company but maybe not AA, or find a wonderful prospect capable of placing at the AA with more training and experience.

You can find a nice prospect who could take you far for 15-25k if you are willing to put in some work. My mare is a proven Prelim winner, training Training level, never refuses, 10+ mover, etc and we paid 6500 because she's a hard ride. If you are willing to work hard and put time into a horse, you can find incredible bargains. Moreover, what is the fun of getting a perfect horse and just hanging on for the course? We are called riders not passengers for a reason.


I haven't go him yet. I need to get my large leased or sold before I do anything. I was just asking to see what people think. But the other pony, Farmore Etched in Stone, would be worth more than those ponies. He is a large, and the owner is hoping to qualify for USEF Pony Finals, and she probably will.

Silverleprechaun, thanks for the advise, but I would appreciate if you didnt say it so rude.

[cursivenight]

Dubby, you want an equatation/hunter/jumper pony/horse??

If you want to compete in e/h/j, I'd suggest a horse, unless you want to remain in the pony divisions. GENERALLY (not always) ponies seem to not do as well, but that it is not always the case. Also some judges will penalize your pony for adding a stride in the lines if they are in a horse class.

Also there is a very good chance you will outgrow that pony.

I suggest getting a horse (at least 15hh to ensure you won't outgrow him or her quickly), and getting a nice one. There are TONS of nice horses in the 50k range to show with. It's just the trick of finding the right one.

[silverleprichuan]

I haven't go him yet. I need to get my large leased or sold before I do anything. I was just asking to see what people think. But the other pony, Farmore Etched in Stone, would be worth more than those ponies. He is a large, and the owner is hoping to qualify for USEF Pony Finals, and she probably will.

Silverleprechaun, thanks for the advise, but I would appreciate if you didnt say it so rude.


Farmore Etched in Stone:

got 10 points in childrens hunter at pebble beach,

Starr 5 17
SAHJA Mini Medal 2Æ6 Ana Forssell didn't place
Warm-Up Hunters 2Æ3 Ana Forssell 6
SAHJA Pony Medal 2Æ3 Ana Forssell 5
Pony Hunters 2Æ3-2Æ6 Ana Forssell 3
Pony Hunters U/S Ana Forssell 1


From what I remember for your area you need at least 50 points to qualify for USEF pony finals, not that difficult of a task.
In my area we have 14 riders who have already qualification in the local pony circuit, and 22 (out of 24) who's qualified in the regular pony circuit.

These are for horses not ponies but I know the number 2 working hunter in our region, (he was around 350k) and with limited showing he has 990 points. I also know number 5 in our region who only cost around 75k, and he has 874 points.

If you want a horse to be worth 100k (especially in the pony market) people want to see several hundred if not several thousand points. The leading large pony in our region has over 2500 points, leading medium hunter 1875, small pony hunter over 2200.

Maybe that pony has more results that for whatever reason are not showing up but if those results are the only ones on him, then I cannot imagine someone paying more than 30-45k even if he's super fancy simply because there are soooo many nice, proven ponies with show records longer than they are tall.

[silverleprichuan]

sorry if you think that I am being rude because it is certainly not my intention. I'd just hate to see you pour money into a prospect and hope to make a 100k profit because it is very rare that it happens because of how expensive this industry is.

[Alwaysridin09]

WOW! 50 grand is a huge budget! in my opinion, i think a horse would be best. u wouldnt outgrow him and i think it would be a better way of spending the money because u can out grow a pony fast. but u have to feel comfortable and happy, so go with what u think is best!
that pony is adorable!

[moniexponie]

Well, Silver brought up some good points.

And I don't think she was trying to be rude duby - she just has some strong view points. [I don't want to get involved in this, but it's just the way I it.]

Anyways, I don't understand the prices on some of these ponies nowadays. Personally, I wouldn't want to pay 100k for something I'm gonna outgrow. That's ridiculous. But, I'm not competing every single weekend and going out to win. So, really, I suppose it's what you want from the sport. ^^

Anyways, I think it's a good thing your trying to sell/lease your pony first. I didn't, and I'm regretting it right about now. It's hard having two horses, and both of mine are just the most amazing creatures ever, and neither of them deserve to take the backseat to the other.

Anyways.

Update us with any desicions/sale/lease. =D

[dubbyroxsoxs95]

Well, Silver brought up some good points.

And I don't think she was trying to be rude duby - she just has some strong view points. [I don't want to get involved in this, but it's just the way I it.]

Anyways, I don't understand the prices on some of these ponies nowadays. Personally, I wouldn't want to pay 100k for something I'm gonna outgrow. That's ridiculous. But, I'm not competing every single weekend and going out to win. So, really, I suppose it's what you want from the sport. ^^

Anyways, I think it's a good thing your trying to sell/lease your pony first. I didn't, and I'm regretting it right about now. It's hard having two horses, and both of mine are just the most amazing creatures ever, and neither of them deserve to take the backseat to the other.

Anyways.

Update us with any desicions/sale/lease. =D

Well what happens here in California is, we have a lot of little girls who treat their parents like shit, but of course they are little Daddy's Girl so they get what they want.

Now, Mommy dear doesn't want to see her little Sugar place bad in classes, so she buys an exspensive pony for her kid to ride.

I know girls this way.

[silverleprichuan]

Well what happens here in California is, we have a lot of little girls who treat their parents like shit, but of course they are little Daddy's Girl so they get what they want.

Now, Mommy dear doesn't want to see her little Sugar place bad in classes, so she buys an exspensive pony for her kid to ride.

I know girls this way.



Exactly, so they are going to want a super fancy, 10 mover, long show record, pony finals winner. Not a nice prospect who's done okay at a few shows.

[mhoney05]

well you are right about the california kids!! (yes i am one myself but not in that way)idk its totally up to you what you do.good luck though!!

[Haley]

He's cute! If you think you can get good results out of a project horse, I would go for that and make a profit. However, otherwise I would just go and buy a new horse - $50,000 can buy a pretty good eq horse.

[DixieGirl]

I think what ever you are confortable with! ;)

[fowlerk]

I would go straight for the horse.