western pleasure delux

[snapmyapp]

talk about a flat kneed beauty! D:

http://www.equinevideocreations.com/VIDEO/CarsonHigh.wmv

anywho does anyone show western pleasure? where do you show? breed, open 4-H ??? :D how long? :]

[mandyicequeen14]

that horse is sooo pretty!

[Skip_n_Hide]

Aww. She is such a nice looking horse :). Her colour is beautiful!

[Raggle]

Beautiful blue roan. I normally don't care for QH's [? To me she looks like one.] but she is remarkable!

[DixieGirl]

I show WP!! I have a video but can't get i onthe post because it's on my computer.

[reneigh]

wow hes nice! his color is my dreeeam color in a horse haha :)

[DixieGirl]

The only thing I don't like about him is...they make him do a really slow lope. That doesn't look right to me.

[iluvcreek4vr]

She is beautiful!!!! But she doesnt look natural under sadde it just looks uncomfortable for her. But i do love the ones where she is in the pasture!!

[ForeverEquine]

She is beautiful!!!! But she doesnt look natural under sadde it just looks uncomfortable for her. But i do love the ones where she is in the pasture!!



I've never liked watching horses lope. To me they look like they're lame. Natural gaits for me, lol!

Her/his build is lovely as is that wonderful blue roan coat!

[StarGirl]

I've never liked watching horses lope. To me they look like they're lame. Natural gaits for me, lol!

Her/his build is lovely as is that wonderful blue roan coat!

Ok, just for the record, no offense to anyone, the lope is a slow natural gait, it's just a slower canter....now 4-beating is unnatural and it absolutely disgusts me when 4-beaters and peanut-pushers win at shows...luckily, the peanut pushing is becoming less popular since ppl are figuring out it's bad for their horses body. But the reason I say this is a lope is supposed to be a collected, comfortable, canter. Nice and slow (not ridiculusly slow though). 4-beating is just unnatural, like someone else said. But I just wanted to clarify that there is a HUGE difference....:)

[DixieGirl]

But I still don't even like the way that horse looks loping. I just think it should look all natural and that horse doesn't at all.

[StarGirl]

But I still don't even like the way that horse looks loping. I just think it should look all natural and that horse doesn't at all.

I was talking about a true lope...the real smooth, cowboy stuff.....remember that day our trainer rode Star and loped her? Remember she looked all natural and beautiful? *tear* That was a true lope....looks all natural, doesn't look like the horse is uncomfortable....plus, watch all the reining, they check those horses and they go from gallop, to canter to lope and it's nice and lopey......

[DixieGirl]

I wasn't here that day. You mean like Bargain's lope?

[silverleprichuan]

Not really my cup of tea.


While at liberty she has wonderful, flat-kneed, beautiful, sweeping gaits. Undersaddle, especially at the lope, she appears locked up and tense. I'd like to see the reach and freedom of the back carried over to undersaddle.

If I just watch the liberty portion, she is quite the looker, but the U/S kind of ruins it for me.

[DixieGirl]

Not really my cup of tea.


While at liberty she has wonderful, flat-kneed, beautiful, sweeping gaits. Undersaddle, especially at the lope, she appears locked up and tense. I'd like to see the reach and freedom of the back carried over to undersaddle.

If I just watch the liberty portion, she is quite the looker, but the U/S kind of ruins it for me.

Yeah you have a really good point. And that horse is a staalion not a mare. :o

[ForeverEquine]

Ok, just for the record, no offense to anyone, the lope is a slow natural gait, it's just a slower canter....now 4-beating is unnatural and it absolutely disgusts me when 4-beaters and peanut-pushers win at shows...luckily, the peanut pushing is becoming less popular since ppl are figuring out it's bad for their horses body. But the reason I say this is a lope is supposed to be a collected, comfortable, canter. Nice and slow (not ridiculusly slow though). 4-beating is just unnatural, like someone else said. But I just wanted to clarify that there is a HUGE difference....:)

From some of the horses I've seen it really doesn't look very natural. It looks likes they're hobbling.

Gam has a really nice collected slow canter but it doesn't look anything like the lopes I've seen most pleasure horses do. But then again, I'm ignorant to the show world. *shrug* I just know it doesn't look very comfortable for the rider or the horse.

[DixieGirl]

From some of the horses I've seen it really doesn't look very natural. It looks likes they're hobbling.

Gam has a really nice collected slow canter but it doesn't look anything like the lopes I've seen most pleasure horses do. But then again, I'm ignorant to the show world. *shrug* I just know it doesn't look very comfortable for the rider or the horse.

Yeah, some of the people try t ohard and it makes their horse look really bad!

[StarGirl]

From some of the horses I've seen it really doesn't look very natural. It looks likes they're hobbling.

Gam has a really nice collected slow canter but it doesn't look anything like the lopes I've seen most pleasure horses do. But then again, I'm ignorant to the show world. *shrug* I just know it doesn't look very comfortable for the rider or the horse.

Yes, the hobbling effect is what 4-beaters do, along with the rider having what looks like an incredibly jarring ride, most of the time anyway. Loping is completely different. The rider should be comfortable and so should the horse. The speed may be faster than what some ppl do in the ring, but it's more pleasurable to horse and rider, and looks natural. :)

[mandyicequeen14]

ya i dont like the lope that makes it look like the horse had gone extreamly lame, i dont like the western pleasure show world that much because of it. It should be a natural movement, not a gimp. Im glad its starting to change

[DixieGirl]

ya i dont like the lope that makes it look like the horse had gone extreamly lame, i dont like the western pleasure show world that much because of it. It should be a natural movement, not a gimp. Im glad its starting to change

well me and my friend (StarGirl) do western pleasure and we make sure our horses are okay and confortable at the lope/canter. After I collect my horses at the lope I let them streach out and do a really canter and do what ever they want. I too am not a big fan of all the "lame" look lopes. :)

[snapmyapp]

YES it is a stallion

his name is MY FINAL NOTICE
he is my dream colored horse. I agree, when he's at freedom is the best, see his breeding? how he naturally is deep hocked and carries his body round with his head low? thats a WESTERN PLEASURE horse. he's bred to do that. :]

I agree, when he's in the bozal he's abit to collected, and hoppy in the front, but he doesnt look angry. he wa probably young when they did it. probably about 3-4, so his training was def. still in progress, and he was probably learning to become slower. but when you see him in the actual bit, you can see his natural movement. he looks really relaxed in the neck, and is just kinda going along. he's reaching out well too. you've got to remember, the libery video is of him running with energy--- that's a heavy GALLOP to him. LOL! trust me.

it's kinda like snappy, when I let him out, he moves OUT, but when I sit back, and ask him "easy" he automatically just takes it down alot of notches. a true western pleasure horse doesnt need to be BROKE, all they need is to be trained, and a real western pleasure horse doesnt need to be yanked on, and have savage bits some ranging in 5 inches long.

" Extremely high ports have a
very intimidating effect on the horse when
the reins are pulled and the port hits the roof
of the mouth. Bits with ports this high were
used by the Vaqueros in Mexico and
California. Several years of training were
required for a horse to effectively perform
with bits of this type." -

I snagged this tidbit from a website. this is how ppl FORCE a horse into WP.

at every show, judes (their SUPPOSE) have to pick a random english/western/games class, and have every rider show them their bits. normally ppl are using snaffles or bozals for their youngsters 4 and under, and typical normal shanks or curbed bits with small to average ports, but I have seen ppl excused, and disqualified, for showing in illegal bits.

to train a true western pleasure the CORRECT way, avoiding harsh behaviors LIKE THESE, and to keep a sane sound horse it probably takes about 9 years to have that profectioned horse.

I didnt intentionally want to start any indepth debates on WP, I just wanted to show how pretty he was. I wasnt really reaching out for everyones negative opinions, but thank-you anyway, it's nice knowing the types of ppl in the forums :]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCVs8oDAUc

[silverleprichuan]

a real western pleasure horse doesnt need to be yanked on, and have savage bits some ranging in 5 inches long.

" Extremely high ports have a
very intimidating effect on the horse when
the reins are pulled and the port hits the roof
of the mouth. Bits with ports this high were
used by the Vaqueros in Mexico and
California. Several years of training were
required for a horse to effectively perform
with bits of this type." -




that's a very important point.


http://silverleprichuan.deviantart.com/art/How-is-this-pleasurable-67297937
^taken at a local show one weekend....

[DixieGirl]

that's a very important point.


http://silverleprichuan.deviantart.com/art/How-is-this-pleasurable-67297937
^taken at a local show one weekend....

Yeah I don't like that one bit!! :( Poor Horse!

[Haley]

As for the lope being a "natural" gait, I have never once seen a horse do it in the pasture.

[moniexponie]

Exactly. I have to agree.

And while WP should be slow and relaxed, shouldn't it be comfortable for the horse too? If it should be, then why do the horses move like that? Horses with different conformation move differently and respectively, but when I see a horse built downhill like this one, it's kind of hard for me to believe that he enjoys loping like that. To me it seems it would be hard and feel unnatural because of his build.

Don't shoot the English rider. oO

[StarGirl]

As for the lope being a "natural" gait, I have never once seen a horse do it in the pasture.

And I have never once seen a million dollars lol....but it exists, :) And, I used to have a horse who slowly cantered around the pasture, believe me, it was natural for him...just saying...