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alliekk
01-17-2008, 10:43 PM
I thought I would post a couple threads for those who don't have a perfect horse, and those who cannot afford a trainer. I know that this will take up a lot of space, so I am going to post it in segments.

I do not pretend to know everything, but have successfully trained and shown western. I was in 4-H for 8 years and joined many of the contests, including horse bowl (kind of like jeopardy only with teams), hypology (knowledge of the anatomy, health, and nutrition of a horse), and horse judging. We judged horses in halter, WP, EP, showmanship, and equitation. I placed 18th out of 300 at nationals in judging. Though it is not national champion, it is definitely something I have no problem being proud of, considering I was only 16 at the time. Those are what one could consider some of my credentials.

ground work. When working on the ground, make sure you have a firm hand. A horse that does not respect you on the ground will more than likely not respect you in the saddle. Practice squaring him up every single time you stop him. His feet should be side-by-side, approx. 4-7 inches apart. Make sure his legs are straight up and down, do not let him stretch out or stand under himself. This is not only for showing, it is for balance and respect. This will help him to stay balanced and not feel the need to walk off with you when you mount. Half the time, the underlying root to this problem is from him not being balanced when mounted and then became used to keeping his balance by foreward movement.
When working in the halter, teach him to move away from your body when you walk into his. You can do this by standing directly in front of him and walking towards him. If he does not move, start swinging his lead back and forth harder and harder each time he does not comply. When he does walk back, stop and give him a pat on the neck, not on the face. We do not want him to associate praise with his face, that is when they start getting into your "bubble" each time he thinks he's done something right. (I learned this the hard way with Shaz). So this teaches him to move away from your body cues, which helps when doing pivots on the haunch and forehand.
Once he has learned to back away from your body, start doing this on either sid of him, asking him to turn away from your body. Do as tight a circle as you can so that it will set the basics for planting his pivot foot.
Next, do the same only towards his rear end. Walk straight into his hip bone, not farther foreward or back. Do not pull on his face, but make sure to keep control of his head so he doesn't start walking in circles like lunging. If he doesn't yield to your body then start to swing the end of your lead rope toward his rump. If he does not move away then start to let it pop him in the rump. If he still does not move, tug on his head a few times (NOT JERK) just to make sure you have his attention. Keep swinging your rope while tugging (no more than 4 or 5 tugs). This should get his attention. If it doesn't then go back to backing and forehands.
When leading your horse, you always want a horse that will pick up a trot immediately, you never know when you may need to get out of the way of something. You may need two people for this exercise. Walk your horse around your area, doing random turns and stops. These make sure that he is paying attention to you. When he has done everything you want and feel you have his undevided attention, then you can move on to the trot. For some, this is just a hassle and most don't even deal with it because horses can be a pain. While walking, start to cluck or kiss with your mouth so he knows that you are getting ready to do something different, then start to jog. This is when the second person comes in. If he does not immediately follow your direction, have your second person snap a whip behind him or clap loudly behind him. This may scare him the first few times and then after a while he will do it willingly so he will not have to deal with it. If this does not get him trotting, then you may need your second person to snap it closer to him or even pop him (not hard, just enough to get his attention). Always remember to cue him a second or two before you do your transition so he knows there is going to be a change, it's just less confusing for all.

I will post walking, trotting, and loping in later threads, but please feel free to put in your opinion of my techniques. If you have any success or know another way, do not hesitate to put that down. Sorry it was so long, but the more information the better the results.

Thanks for reading!

~ALLIE~

cherokee_92
01-19-2008, 04:29 PM
thats nice of you to give out info like that to help those who need to work with their horses. and I know people can watch dvds and buy books, but not all can afford it

alliekk
01-20-2008, 12:58 PM
So it's a bad thing that I'm trying to help people? I see so many threads on here where people are arguing, so I wanted to post a thread where I thought that there would be no controversy. The only problem with RFDTV is most of those clinicians want you to do it their way. They all have their own opinion and only show a fraction of the training, then they tell you to buy their $45 dvd or $50 book to finish the lesson. What I put down is universal training for most horses young and old.

This sight has become so argumentative that it seems that everyone has to put down someone else's post. I'm not meaning to sound rude and I don't want to offend anyone, but I've been having internet problems, so when I finally get to use the net I find that this sight has become unfriendly and controversial. I love this sight and I love the people, but we are way too caught up in our own thoughts that we forget to be thankful for what others felt you might need.

It offended me to read that you would rather people go somewhere else to help their horse instead of use my advise. It has always worked for me, no matter what horse I work with. It also had a kind of snotty attitude when I read it. Dixie, I have always liked you. I have added you to my friends list, I have given you advise with your mare, and it seems like you have just gotten too caught up in the arguments everywhere.

mhoney05
01-20-2008, 01:18 PM
thankyou soo much


i do have an unperfect horse that i cannot Afford a trainer for so EVERYTHING HELPS. as much as i look on goggle for things nothing really helps me.
i have one question

how do you get a horse to put his head down (like western pleasure)

alliekk
01-20-2008, 01:34 PM
A western pleasure headset can be achieved in MANY different ways. It mostly depends on your horse. I use a German or running martingale. You start at the walk and just lightly pull on her reins until she gives. She must put slack in the rein so don't move your hands up with them. As soon as she gives let loose. When she puts her head up again do the same thing. Only do this at a walk until she is consistent and you don't have to continually bump on her mouth. As soon as she is comfortable with that you can move on to the jog. This will also slow her jog down, because she is using different muscles which makes her body work harder. If she has any sort of control issue, I would work that out before having her set her head. Hope this helps!

mandyicequeen14
01-20-2008, 01:43 PM
So it's a bad thing that I'm trying to help people? I see so many threads on here where people are arguing, so I wanted to post a thread where I thought that there would be no controversy. The only problem with RFDTV is most of those clinicians want you to do it their way. They all have their own opinion and only show a fraction of the training, then they tell you to buy their $45 dvd or $50 book to finish the lesson. What I put down is universal training for most horses young and old.

This sight has become so argumentative that it seems that everyone has to put down someone else's post. I'm not meaning to sound rude and I don't want to offend anyone, but I've been having internet problems, so when I finally get to use the net I find that this sight has become unfriendly and controversial. I love this sight and I love the people, but we are way too caught up in our own thoughts that we forget to be thankful for what others felt you might need.

It offended me to read that you would rather people go somewhere else to help their horse instead of use my advise. It has always worked for me, no matter what horse I work with. It also had a kind of snotty attitude when I read it. Dixie, I have always liked you. I have added you to my friends list, I have given you advise with your mare, and it seems like you have just gotten too caught up in the arguments everywhere.

I agree, there has been too many arguments, but thats why we have the mods to try to stop the arguing, and closeing down the posts that r causeing the fights :)

People need to stop shooting down other members posts, and ideas.

By the way those are some useful hints,ill try some of them on Dutch Boy

xxrequiem
01-20-2008, 01:55 PM
Very informative, thank you :D I often find non-professional posts about how experience has taught us teach a lot more than the pro articles and DVDs...and they don't cost a penny.

I also agree that the arguing really needs to stop. I have no problem with a debate here and there but some of the stuff I have seen while poking around is rather upsetting. This site can be a GREAT one...we just have to work on when to voice our opinions. The mods, of course, are a great help - hats off to them!

ForeverEquine
01-20-2008, 07:35 PM
You don't need one of those things. All you have to do is teach your horse collection at the walk, trot, canter and you have a WP headset. I know that because I show and ride WP and have had lessons for WP.

Dixiegirl, it seems as though you're trying to start an argument here. Why? To contradict everything Alliekk is saying is a bit rude. If you don't like what she has to say either present yourself in a more professional manner or just don't say anything at all.

She's just trying to answer questions to the best of her knowledge. Let's all take Thumper's advice shall we? "If you can't say nothing nice...don't say nothing at all."

It's alright to argue once in a while but to do so deliberately is a bit uncalled for.

Squall Lionheart
01-20-2008, 07:56 PM
Youn know...ppl can get that stuff that you said off of horse training programs on t.v. and off the internet.

have you ever given consideration that there are a lot of people who dont know that? the original poster is trying to be nice by posting a helpful post for other memebers to read and learn from. and here you are downing the idea for her to help others. go you! :mad:

HappyHorse13
01-20-2008, 09:20 PM
Reminder -

Going with Forever - let's keep it friendly.

People have different opinions, and they should all be respected.

:].

alliekk
01-20-2008, 09:39 PM
I agree that opinions should be respected, but they need to keep in mind that their opinions will always be respected if they are respectful themselves. One question, should I even complete my series of training advice?

HappyHorse13
01-21-2008, 08:45 AM
Yes, allie, I think you should. :].

There are some avid western people on here that want and will use your good advice.

:].

xxrequiem
01-25-2008, 05:03 PM
Oh, definitely. :D