I Will Seriously Never Understand Some People

[HappyHorse13]

Alright, please note that I am not saying this to be rude or mean, I'm just not understanding the horse industry. If I upset you, I'm very sorry and you have a well-deserved apology.
In my never-ending quest for my "perfect" horse, I see many ads that state the horse is being sold because the owner/breeder is switching to a diffrent breed of horse or style of riding.

What I don't get is this: Why can't people be happy with the horses they've got? A lot of people would give anything to have a horse (like ME!) and these people, on the other hand, are selling off their stock just because they want to switch breeds or disciplines.

It's really confusing to me at least. If I had a breeding farm or trained in the near and far away future, I would appreciate my horses and give myself credit for spending all that hard work raising and training them!

What are your opinions?

[Manda]

I agree with you for the most part.

Though, I do think the person that is switching breeds/disciplines (though this applies more to discipline) is doing a good thing by selling the horse. For example. A woman has a Dutch Warmblood and uses him for dressage, then all of a sudden gets the urge to barrel race, and buys a Quarter Horse. Instead of her Warmblood sitting in a stall all day doing nothing, he can be sold to someone who will care for him and give him a job. You have to look at it from that perspective as well.

There is nothing wrong with an opinion though, because I as well would give anything for a horse.

[HunterJumperPony]

Well horses cost money, if you're switching displines and you're selling your horses it's because they will not be used to their full potential (sp), so instead of the horse sitting around and using money for paying for board and such, they could sell the horse to someone who will ride and they get some money towards their new horse. And if they are switching breeds probably means they're a breeder, and like I said all horses cost money for food and such, and if they can't use them for their horse program which would be their source of money they are are just sitting around and taking up space. But once again, by selling them the potential thing and they make money. The horse world can be expensive, so horses usaully need to earn their keep.

But trust me, I feel your pain. Except I'm one of the people who just aren't aloud to have a horse.. So depressing.

[Black Pearl]

What bugs me is when people sell the horse for way more than the horse's value, because they want to turn a sizable profit. It's selfish, and just shows how much they don't care about the actual horse and his well-being, which is so sad. That happens A LOT in the Friesian industry, especially with the importer/ dealers. There are so many farms I will never make a purhcase from, no matter how gorgeous the horse is! Also, because most of these places will lie to you to get you to buy there animals. :mad:

[HunterJumperPony]

Yea, that bothers the heck out of me too. I can understand wanting to make a profit, but then make your horse that good. You know what I mean? It was amazing, I aw Seatle Slew's grand daughter for sale for only $3,000.

[Manda]

What bugs me is when people sell the horse for way more than the horse's value, because they want to turn a sizable profit. It's selfish, and just shows how much they don't care about the actual horse and his well-being, which is so sad. That happens A LOT in the Friesian industry, especially with the importer/ dealers. There are so many farms I will never make a purhcase from, no matter how gorgeous the horse is! Also, because most of these places will lie to you to get you to buy there animals. :mad:


I agree completely. I saw an ad on dreamhorse I think, for a Swedish Warmblood dressage horse, he was alright. He wasn't anything amazing to look at, your standard bay, and he was trained to 3rd level schooling 4th or Grand Prix, I can't remember, and the lady was trying to sell him for $250,000. I was laughing SO hard because if this woman thinks she would get that much for a horse that isn't that special, she must be insane.

It really is amazing the things people will do for money.

[kckatt]

i wish i could quote everyone here!!!
i want a horse soooooo bad!! but it is hard when you find a good horse when they price it for more than it is worth.
but like Manda said you don't want a horse to be "sitting in a stall all day doing nothing".

but what makes me mad is when the owner says they are selling a
pregnant mare because she is pregnant!!
if you didn't want her pregnant then why did you put her with a stallion you know!! i have only seen this a few times but i have seen it.

[HappyHorse13]

You guys make a lot of sense.

I agree with your opinions.

Black Pearl, I know waht you're saying, many Friesians or WAY overpriced.

And why do some people need to price their horses so high?! An average middle-class person could afford the horse's cost, but not the price of the horse!

[the coolest loser]

honestly, people are aloud to ask whatever they want for a horse.
if the horse is worth $10000 to them, but only $100 to you, dont buy it. obviously you should price your horse reasonably, but price him at what he is worth to you, you might not end up selling right away, but if and when you do at least you'll be satisfied whith what you got.

as for swithcing disiplines and selling the horse, thats not uncommon at all. you dont want a horse that has amazing talent for another disipline sit in a stall all day, and do something he isnt good at, when both you and your horse would be happier with either a horse that is trained differently, or a person that wants to do what the horse is good at.

[Black Pearl]

honestly, people are aloud to ask whatever they want for a horse.
if the horse is worth $10000 to them, but only $100 to you, dont buy it. obviously you should price your horse reasonably, but price him at what he is worth to you, you might not end up selling right away, but if and when you do at least you'll be satisfied whith what you got.

as for swithcing disiplines and selling the horse, thats not uncommon at all. you dont want a horse that has amazing talent for another disipline sit in a stall all day, and do something he isnt good at, when both you and your horse would be happier with either a horse that is trained differently, or a person that wants to do what the horse is good at.

Yes, people are allowed to ask whatever they want. And they do! I think we are all just making general statements about the industry. As an individual, if you are overcharging your horse, I can understand for sentimental value, but it would still be bad buisness. Even for all the good meaning the owner would have, it's still selfish. I've seen people who are horse shopping for a competiton horse, they see a higher price tag as a testament to the horses' value and capabilities. Worst case scenerio, they wind up turning around and selling your horse because he's not "up to par". I've seen so many horses recycled in the market! Most from private sellers. Would you still be satisfied with what you got for your horse then?

From what I've seen shopping for my dreamhorse, and what my sister puts up with the in the Andalusian market -- no offense to anyone if you're a horse dealer-- the equine industry is made up of a lot of money grubbers seeking stature in selling horse's because they are a current fad (like Friesians and Gypsy Vanners). It's really difficult for the average person to find what they want for a price they can afford. "Here's a big, beautiful 7 yo Friesian gelding! He's never had a saddle on his back in his life! But it's a Friesian!! He can be your next FEI star! Your's for only $ 29,900!! Did I mention he's a Friesian?!" It's bad buisness and will eventually hurt the market. That's my opinion.

I do agree with everyone on the switching disiplines, however. If the horse no longer as a place with someone, let him find a home that will adore him and be perfect for him!

[Manda]

You guys make a lot of sense.

I agree with your opinions.

Black Pearl, I know waht you're saying, many Friesians or WAY overpriced.

And why do some people need to price their horses so high?! An average middle-class person could afford the horse's cost, but not the price of the horse!

I know other people have left longer responses to this, but I really just want to respond to your question.

A LOT of people price their horses so high, because they have biased opinions of them, and just think they're the greatest thing in the world (which is okay...until you sell it). They see nothing wrong.

Or they're just greedy horse sellers trying to gain a profit. >_>

[HappyHorse13]

the coolest loser, I agree completely.

Black Pearl, you are right about the Friesians and Gypsies. But sometimes I think the Friesians are so high because of the import cost, plus they are more rare then some breeds, and some of the stallion's stud fees can be very high. But I agree that $30,000 for an unbroken Friesian is a bit...high up there. But, like the coolest loser said (and I agree!) anyone can ask anything for their horse.

[belle star]

Now the things that I hate about the riding world is the costs of a horse! Some horses sell more than my Dad's car! And my Dad's car is an $80,000 dollar car!!! Even some of the horses at my barn they are selling for like $100,000 dollars!! WHAT?????? I hate that. You always dream of havinng your own horse, but now their too much money to buy!!! Its so weird!!!! :mad:

[Black Pearl]

the coolest loser, I agree completely.

Black Pearl, you are right about the Friesians and Gypsies. But sometimes I think the Friesians are so high because of the import cost, plus they are more rare then some breeds, and some of the stallion's stud fees can be very high. But I agree that $30,000 for an unbroken Friesian is a bit...high up there. But, like the coolest loser said (and I agree!) anyone can ask anything for their horse.

Actually, it's amazing how inexpensive importing can be, depending on the breed and the mother country. You can save so much money by importing your own Friesian! Still does not warrant a 10K mark-up. Example on a horse I've seen...horse's Dutch owner selling him for $ 11K USD, import to US roughly $ 7,000 total $ 18K. US Dealer bought horse and sold him for $ 29,900, selling him before he even entered this country for almost $ 12K mark-up (pure profit with no actual involvment with said horse)! Yikes! If I were the person who then bought him in the end and saw the difference (that I could pretty much have bought two horses for one) I'd be kickin' myself!

As for high stud fees, those I can understand. Again, though, I'm mostly speaking for the Friesian society as this is the horse world I'm most exposed to. Friesians go through very strict, strenous and LONG approval process before they are considered for breeding by Dutch standards. Once they are approved (and approval can be taken away if their offspring don't qualify), normally they can only stand to a maximum number of mares a year. So they're rare!

[HappyHorse13]

I feel bad for the Friesian breed, before, like in the late 1880's early 1900's, tere were only three pure-bred Friesian studs left.
There can also be a lot of inbreeding in the Friesian world, the same with the poor Cleveland Bays. :(
Maybe if people wouldn't charge so much for more rare breeds, more people could afford to buy them, and all of the rare breeds would have a secure future.

[musiccraze777]

Alright, please note that I am not saying this to be rude or mean, I'm just not understanding the horse industry. If I upset you, I'm very sorry and you have a well-deserved apology.
In my never-ending quest for my "perfect" horse, I see many ads that state the horse is being sold because the owner/breeder is switching to a diffrent breed of horse or style of riding.

What I don't get is this: Why can't people be happy with the horses they've got? A lot of people would give anything to have a horse (like ME!) and these people, on the other hand, are selling off their stock just because they want to switch breeds or disciplines.

It's really confusing to me at least. If I had a breeding farm or trained in the near and far away future, I would appreciate my horses and give myself credit for spending all that hard work raising and training them!

What are your opinions?

For me, I agree with that (I know this is old, but i just saw this), but it does help people who will really cherish their horse to get one...but yeah...I sometimes look at a horse for sale, and the owner says how wonderful the horse is but it no longer fits their program, though they love the horse, and I'm like, uh, so it's just your property, i guess. People don't sell their kids, but a lot of people will not hesitate to sell an animal if they want to change things...but I myself view animals as my kids. That's just how I am.