Horse Slaughter

[HeavenCanWait578]

Considering we are all horselovers I'm guessing most of us are against horse slaughter factorys. Two organizations, Habitat For Horses, and Lone Star Equine rescue, came together to work on ending horse slaughter. There are braclets designed to show that you support the closing of horse slaughter. There is more information on this website:

Until They Are Safe (http://www.thehorseloverssite.com/product_info.php?cPath=75&products_id=918) .

Let me know what you think.

[butterflyfx]

i hope you do realize that ending horse slaughter would cause problems???

i am fully against the way they do it, but can understand that what has to be done has to be done. they should find a new way to do it more humanely, but i doubt that a solution is in the near future. it's unfortunate, really.

[jokerslastdude]

it has to be done? are you kiding me?
have you ever heard of people just stop breeding so many horses.
or stop caring so much if your horse has so and so in the blood lines?
and maybe, just maybe realized why you got into horses int the first place?
o the poor horses that know one wants, or maybe it's because people are just to lazy to take the time to sell the horse they once loved
or realize that just because a horse doesn't work for their disipline that they can be used for something.
and if you really have to kill a horse, then maybe you could just bury it instead of making it into something for people to eat.
to think that slaughtering is ok is ignorance.
something that was once a beloved pet, or never had the chance to shine is not cool to be shipped to other countries in the form of meat!

[Savanna]

Yes, I agree people need to stop breeding unwanted horses. And people who get horses need to be sure they can take care of them.

With that said, you have to understand sometimes there are horses that are just to dangerous and slaughter is kind of a last resort.

[jokerslastdude]

yeah i understand that they are dangerous, but that doesn't mean that they need to be turned into someone's food.

[butterflyfx]

i believe that you have misunderstood me.

where do you think dog food is made? where does glue come from? in some countries people DO eat horse...ie france.

i am guessing that you are a vegetarian then??? you probably care just as much about a cow or a chicken? animals are killed for a purpose...i like steak, i like bacon and eggs...that doesn't make me a bad person.

no, i wouldn't sell my horse for slaughter because i'm "done with her" and don't have any further purpose for her to serve...i couldn't sell one of my pets to the meat man. however, some horses are almost better off being killed then living in their current state where they do not have the quality of life that i would describe as sufficient. why not turn an unwanted horse's body into something useful? i already said that i am against the way they kill them...i wouldn't like to be chased down a chute, slipping on other horse's excrement while hearing those awful noises; then being hung by my foot while being pounded in the head until i was dead, or close to it anyways...many of these horses aren't even dead before the blood is drained from their bodies. it's sad, and i have already stated that i am against this particular aspect of it. this isn't a career i would be pleased to take further...i wouldn't sell a horse for slaughter, however, i can accept that there is a need for horses past the requirements that most of us americans and canadians put on them. it's a sad fate, but it happens.

[butterflyfx]

yeah i understand that they are dangerous, but that doesn't mean that they need to be turned into someone's food.
then where do you suppose they should go? what is a better alternative? i'd love to hear your side of this. (honestly...i'm not being sarcastic.) again, i wouldn't sell a horse for meat if i could help it, but if it came down to my life, or the life of a horse that i *could* sell, chancing the fact that it could seriously injure it's new owner or someone else, then i would have to opt to have it euthanized. (not necessarily for slaughter...it depends on the particular horse...if it was one that had a bad past with humans, then i might lean towards burying it somewhere.)

[jig]

I think that animals weren't put on this planet for us to eat. I also think that there are better ways to deal with "dangerous" horses than to kill them. My horse used to be considered dangerous, all she really needed was someone that understood her. Very few dog foods are made with horses these days, that the argument is kind of shut down, and, as for glue, you can get glue out of plants. We don't NEED meat to survive, therefore, I don't believe we should eat animals. Some animals need meat to survive, so I have no problem with strict carnivours eating meat. I'm not just against horse slaughter, I'm against slaughtering/hunting/killing animals in general.

[Savanna]

Jig I agree with you. But not all horses can be saved like yours was, and 2 of mine were.

[jig]

That's true...although I would always give an animal a chance. And if they really are too dangerous, have them humanely euthanized, not slaughtered!

[Savanna]

I heard some people are against slaughter horses being humanely euthanized, because it's not all that humane. I heard it basically makes them have a heart attack :confused:

[jokerslastdude]

then where do you suppose they should go? what is a better alternative? i'd love to hear your side of this. (honestly...i'm not being sarcastic.) again, i wouldn't sell a horse for meat if i could help it, but if it came down to my life, or the life of a horse that i *could* sell, chancing the fact that it could seriously injure it's new owner or someone else, then i would have to opt to have it euthanized. (not necessarily for slaughter...it depends on the particular horse...if it was one that had a bad past with humans, then i might lean towards burying it somewhere.)
where do they all go? what do you do with people if they die, you bury them, you cremate them. do you know how many people would LOVE to have a horse, and go through life just wishing for the chance. and people take it for grated and just sell them to be killed..... if it came down to me or the horse, i would find a way for both to survive. not to mention have you heard of the spca, or horse rescue shelters. the horses in the spca rarely have a problem getting adopted... i know i tried to adopt one, and have worked with rescues..... in general, a horse or any animal only has a bad temper because of the way it was treated in the past.
and yes i am a vegitarian. if you love your animals how can you eat them. sorry i never got into horses because i'm rich, and i wanted to look to for my friends.
there is synthetic material for everything. like gelitn that used to use horse hooves, there are substitues for that. and most everything else!! chicken, yeah i eat fake chicken that takes just like regular chicken. just don't be lazy and do some research.

[jokerslastdude]

I heard some people are against slaughter horses being humanely euthanized, because it's not all that humane. I heard it basically makes them have a heart attack :confused:

when a horse or any animal is "put down" all of the organs are shut down. including their heart. their muscles go, and that is why they deficate. although it is ideal to have an animal go on it's own, at certain time (injury to severe) it is nessecary to do this because all of this happens rather fast. but to eliminate horses just because they are no longer wanted, that's another story.

[butterflyfx]

one slows their heart, and the other shuts it down...blood stops pumping through their body, and they die. the other organs shut down because they don't have blood or oxygen to keep operating. it suffocates the horse's organs. atleast, that's the way we do it here.

i am not interested in horses because i am rich...infact, my financial situation is quite the opposite. i can care for my horse; provide her with the necessary vet care, farrier, dewormer, feed and water and a place to live. all of my tack fits her, and she is definitely not neglected...i love my horse. as i said, i couldn't send her to slaughter. i would bury her or cremate her instead, however, she is my pet...i love her and couldn't turn her into meat. still, slaughter keeps on going around BOTH countries, and horses keep getting killed. it's sad, but i still think that since horses are a part of nature that they are here to serve a purpose. if it's not riding, it may be the slaughter house...it's unfortunate, but it happens. (again, not saying it's entirely right)

[jig]

Slaughter isn't natural, therefore, a horse's role in nature is NOT to be slaughtered. Everything does have a role in nature, though, so what is our role? To destroy it? Because that is what we are doing. Just because something happens doesn't mean it should. Horses, and other animals, should NOT be slaughtered. Animals weren't put on this planet to feed us, as I have said. Vegetarian food is the BEST! Veggie corn dogs are the best! You can get a vegetarian version of almost all meats.

[butterflyfx]

sorry, i like meat. :cool: REAL meat thanks.

[jig]

That's what I used to think. I'm not the kind of person to force vegetarianism on people, I just ask that people try vegetarian meat before bashing it :)

[appylover123]

why not just humanely uthenize the dangerouse ones. ever give that a thought. :confused:

[cowgurl1811]

Im sorry im not 100% against slaughter. I will never change urminds on the topic so I wont try. But here is my point of view:

If people would stop breeding horses for sale NOT if you want to keep it and raise it and have it for ever I have no prob with that what so ever!! But i dont care for breeding farms!! ANywho That would be a GREAT way to prevent slaughter BUT It just isnt realistic, SORRY. People are NEVER going to stop breeding animals. People face the same thing EVERYDAY with dogs and cats. We either let them run around, be mis cared for, Get diseases, end up breeding, OR we Euthinise them. It is sad to think we have to kill animals b/c of people but WE HAVE TOO, Where else will they go? Think about this, We wither euthinise them or risk them starving to death or suffering beacuse they cant ALL have homes. If my Choice I would rather horses be euthinised then starved. people are CRUEL, Facts of life. And NO I am NOT against horse meat!! It is a part of many peoples culture to eat horse meat like its a part of mine to eat cow or pig. NO,. I would never eat horse meat but we have to use some logic when we say ANTI SLAUGHTER. Someone has to care for millions of horses, and it CANT be done. It is the facts of life. SOrry for being blunt JMO though!!

[cowgurl1811]

I think that animals weren't put on this planet for us to eat. I also think that there are better ways to deal with "dangerous" horses than to kill them. My horse used to be considered dangerous, all she really needed was someone that understood her. Very few dog foods are made with horses these days, that the argument is kind of shut down, and, as for glue, you can get glue out of plants. We don't NEED meat to survive, therefore, I don't believe we should eat animals. Some animals need meat to survive, so I have no problem with strict carnivours eating meat. I'm not just against horse slaughter, I'm against slaughtering/hunting/killing animals in general.


Um do you not have a LEATHER saddle and LEATHER boots???? It so easy to be a vegetarian, I have seen many who r that have Nice leather items, WHERE in the world does that come from? A SLAUGHTERD COW. :)

[jokerslastdude]

I have been a veg for about 10 years. into horses for a bit less. but in the last few years i have been VERY strict. so any new products that i buy for my horses, i try my hardest to avoid buying that have leather in them. unfortunately there are not options for everything. yet more and more things come around that are made of synthetic leather. There are new textiles that allow the same texture and feel of real leather and yet so much cheaper and don't cost the life of an animal. Why is there a need for animals to be killed for people to eat. I know i eat healthier than most carnavoirs. plus there are SO many alternatives that have very similar lives.
Seriously i hate to break it to you, but animals have personalities and they can feel things also.

[cowgurl1811]

I have been a veg for about 10 years. into horses for a bit less. but in the last few years i have been VERY strict. so any new products that i buy for my horses, i try my hardest to avoid buying that have leather in them. unfortunately there are not options for everything. yet more and more things come around that are made of synthetic leather. There are new textiles that allow the same texture and feel of real leather and yet so much cheaper and don't cost the life of an animal. Why is there a need for animals to be killed for people to eat. I know i eat healthier than most carnavoirs. plus there are SO many alternatives that have very similar lives.
Seriously i hate to break it to you, but animals have personalities and they can feel things also.

And I agree with you to exstent. I know a lady who was a veg. for 15 YEARS, That is a long time, when I was trying to decide wether to go that route she yelled at me and said not too. She said it was the worst thing for you b/c your body is set up for meat, IT IS PROTEIN. I asked her about supplements and alternatives and she said it wasnt the same (She has COlonitus and is a TOTAL HEALTH NUT lol) !!!! She told me the whole time she was that her hair was britle and her nails were. And she said she just wasnt healthy. She only eats fish now. I dont think we should in-humanly slaughter them but, at the same time they are meat and i LOVE it. lol.

[QHArabDonkey]

im gonna have to agree with Butterfly , i hate horse slaughter just as much as the next. but there is no easy solution , ignorance is believeing that your answers which are trivial at best will solve them. as long as there is an industry , people can and will mass produce horses that will end up as "extras" so to speak. as long as there are backyard breeders out there , breeding just because they have a stud there will be unwanted horses. there is no solution , its cheaper to send a horse to slaughter then it is to humanely euthanize one. im as much as anyone against slaughter , or at the very least how its done. but as someone previousely said , this wolnt be a quick fix by any means. once is stopped however what will be done with all the unwanted horses ? where will they go ? rescues can only hold so many , and only so many can be euthanized , they will become even easier to acquire for those less educated then some , is that a better choice then slaughter ? im not trying to argue , but when you debate this kind of issue , you must set aside your personal beliefs and look at the reality of the situation.....

[Masquerade]

I am for horse slaughter.

[butterflyfx]

Um do you not have a LEATHER saddle and LEATHER boots???? It so easy to be a vegetarian, I have seen many who r that have Nice leather items, WHERE in the world does that come from? A SLAUGHTERD COW. :)

you're my new hero...that was brilliant. :cool:

what about cultures that are against pig slaughter because their god is actually the form of a pig or something stupid? does that mean i should no longer be able to have my freakin' bacon?! i'd be super pissed! horses are eaten elsewhere, as someone has already said, and i'm sure they'd be pissed if all of a sudden they weren't allowed to eat them.

as humans, we need protein. in fact, i had a nice big piece of meat for dinner...it was quite tasty. i have friends that are vegetarians, and i don't try and trick them into eating meat and such...it's their choice, just as it's my choice to choose to eat meat.

what would happen if someone managed to stop bug sprayings for massive infestations of locusts? we'd have a shitload of locusts. ;)

[Walk*On]

Belive it or not,
No matter HOW many petitions you sign, IMO Horse slaughter will always be there. I am against slaughter of course, but you need to realize that it IS out there and this topic could definitly go on forever, but sure there are things you can do to make people AWARE of it, but there is not much you can do to STOP it indefintly. Lets face it, some horses like pigs or cows are bred to be slaughtered. Lets not shelter ourselves now. It IS out there.
Look at what you just parked your hind end on. Yes my friends, that is a dead cow.

[Walk*On]

[QUOTE=jig]Slaughter isn't natural, therefore, a horse's role in nature is NOT to be slaughtered. QUOTE]


Oh, Ic.. I dont want to pick a fight, Im just curious how you decided that. How you justified that a horses role is NOT to be slaughtered, cuz why, you said so?
Just please clear this up for me

[Masquerade]

Alrighty, I'm just going to post what my friend Risa said, because she sumed it up perfectly:

Any equine enthusiast that does not know the facts about horse slaughter would quickly disagree with it. These beautiful four-legged animals have dazzled us for years and to imagine them on the plate of some French dinner, smothered in wine sauce, would make some people sick. This in itself is understandable, but unfortunately there is a lot more to horse slaughter than meets the eye. If one puts aside the emotional tie some have to horses and instead considers the rising population of these equines and perhaps other ways they might be suffering, the slaughter house will not be as revolting as it might seem.
Since the beginning of the domestication of the equine there has been a strong bond between the beast and human. Any animal dying is a horrific thing, but it is the circle of life that we all live in and as much as we focus on the dying animals, sometimes we need to put more thought into the new horses that come into the world each day. People are entranced by babies of any kind and foals are no exception. Yet every year more and more foals are born adding to the overflowing population. Backyard horses are replaced and sent to auction and end up at the slaughter houses. The owners might not have realized this, but they are the cause of something they are trying to fight. Something needs to be done about the constantly rising horse population. If we continue to have a surplus of equines, the slaughter houses that everyone in the equine world shakes their heads at will continue to rise.
In every business there are people who give everyone else a bad name. And the media only takes stories that are going to get them high-ratings, changing what needs to be changed and manipulating facts. So, of course, no well-kept slaughter houses are heard of. Many times these horses are very sick, hurt and dying when sent to the slaughter house. In an essence they are the “trash” of the equine world. Yet, what if where they are going isn’t so bad after all? Sadly, some horses’ fate is to get stuck in a stall for the rest of their life, knee high in manure with only the bare essentials, slowly fading away. The owners think they are saving these horses from the slaughter house but suddenly death seems a much happier idea that slowly dying. The inexperience of owners also plays a large part; they make wrong decisions and basically wake up one day to a dead horse. Most horse owners would agree that if they had the choice, they’d rather their friend be slaughtered then die slowly. None of these decisions are easy to make but if one considers the high price of euthanizing an equine and transporting them out, which is many times out of people’s budget, it is sometimes the only option.
Beyond any of that comes to most questioning factor, how ethical is the treatment? While the over-the-top PETA extremists can get ridiculous when it comes to the handling, it can, in fact, be bad. Transportation of the equines can include double-decker horse trailers, with the horses inappropriately secured. The horses are known to break legs and be trampled because of the tight quarters. Luckily, many states have banded the use of these sorts of trailers. Others are how the horses are corralled, a mess of confusion, sickness and hysteria which are their final minutes. A fallacy that is often found is that when the bolt is pounded into the temple, the horse is not always unconscious when their neck is slit and blood drains. While a few times this could be true, it’s mostly a colorful tale to let us go against slaughter. The treatment should be considered, though. This is ultimately the end and our bond with equines is incomparable to dogs and cats. If these horses have served humans all the lives then they deserve the right to a humane end.
Taken all into account, if a horse owner does send their equine to the slaughter house it does not mean they love their hoses any more or less. Sometimes people make the selfish action to save themselves, not their horse. While slaughter will continue to be a bad thing, it should not be dismissed in its entirety and not be ignorantly seen as a sin.

[Masquerade]

Slaughter isn't natural, therefore, a horse's role in nature is NOT to be slaughtered. Everything does have a role in nature, though, so what is our role? To destroy it? Because that is what we are doing. Just because something happens doesn't mean it should. Horses, and other animals, should NOT be slaughtered. Animals weren't put on this planet to feed us, as I have said. Vegetarian food is the BEST! Veggie corn dogs are the best! You can get a vegetarian version of almost all meats.

O.o… Is it “natural” for us to strap devices on an animals back, climb on, and except them to obey our orders? Is it "natural" for dogs and cats to be living inside an air-conditioned house, getting feed Friskey's cat food everynight and using a litter box? If you hadn't noticed, look around, very few things left in life are "natural". Veggie corn dogs aren't “natural” either, but here you are sitting on you butt, looking at the computer screen (which also isn't natural ;) ) talking about how you eat them. Meat by-products are worse for you than pure meat. You contradict yourself so much, it's almost pathetic.

[Masquerade]

I have been a veg for about 10 years. into horses for a bit less. but in the last few years i have been VERY strict. so any new products that i buy for my horses, i try my hardest to avoid buying that have leather in them. unfortunately there are not options for everything. yet more and more things come around that are made of synthetic leather. There are new textiles that allow the same texture and feel of real leather and yet so much cheaper and don't cost the life of an animal. Why is there a need for animals to be killed for people to eat. I know i eat healthier than most carnavoirs. plus there are SO many alternatives that have very similar lives.
Seriously i hate to break it to you, but animals have personalities and they can feel things also.

Erm yes, but synthetic leather is of a VERY low quality, and it doesn't hold up to heavy riding for long. I'd take my Italian leather Crosby saddle over 100 synthetic saddles any day… unless I was going to buy them to resell them and get and even nicer leather saddle... *ponders the possibilities*.

We were MADE to eat meat. I enjoy eating burgers, and I'm a chicken addict. Incase you didn't notice, their are teeth in your mouth for shredding dead animals apart... go back to your PETA flock. :rolleyes:

[QHArabDonkey]

time for me to voice my opinion once again..... , yes we so have teeth , but only a few of them are meant for shredding meat , the rest are more similer to those of a grazer. now onto our intestines , there long , very long , much like a grazers , strict meat eaters have a shorter intestine then grazers. so to be honest we are more similer to grazers then anything else.

but i do love meat , had steak last night , eating beef jerkey as we speak....

[Masquerade]

time for me to voice my opinion once again..... , yes we so have teeth , but only a few of them are meant for shredding meat , the rest are more similer to those of a grazer. now onto our intestines , there long , very long , much like a grazers , strict meat eaters have a shorter intestine then grazers. so to be honest we are more similer to grazers then anything else.

but i do love meat , had steak last night , eating beef jerkey as we speak....

Well yes, because we are herbivores.

[butterflyfx]

we are omnivores...we are designed to eat both.

[Masquerade]

Oops, I used the wrong word. I ment omnivores, but for some reason I typed herbivores.

[jokerslastdude]

Erm yes, but synthetic leather is of a VERY low quality, and it doesn't hold up to heavy riding for long. I'd take my Italian leather Crosby saddle over 100 synthetic saddles any day… unless I was going to buy them to resell them and get and even nicer leather saddle... *ponders the possibilities*.

We were MADE to eat meat. I enjoy eating burgers, and I'm a chicken addict. Incase you didn't notice, their are teeth in your mouth for shredding dead animals apart... go back to your PETA flock. :rolleyes:

actully no.. there are new synthetic leathers that are just as good of quality as real leather... and considering i was just attending FIT (fashion institute of technology) i know about the new materials that are coming. i'm not saying that they are in saddles yet, but there are other possibilites other than leather.

#2 Yes we were made to have some meat intake, but it is not that healthy for you unless you go and catch it on your own. meat today contains a lot of preservatives plus the animals are rarely fed the chicken feed you see in stores, they are given chemicals so the are fattened up as fast as possible. i could continue but you won't care.

#3 i actully am not a big fan of PETA, they force their beliefes to much on people, and i'm actully not trying to do that, but to many people think that it's meat or die.
it's not.

[jokerslastdude]

And I agree with you to exstent. I know a lady who was a veg. for 15 YEARS, That is a long time, when I was trying to decide wether to go that route she yelled at me and said not too. She said it was the worst thing for you b/c your body is set up for meat, IT IS PROTEIN. I asked her about supplements and alternatives and she said it wasnt the same (She has COlonitus and is a TOTAL HEALTH NUT lol) !!!! She told me the whole time she was that her hair was britle and her nails were. And she said she just wasnt healthy. She only eats fish now. I dont think we should in-humanly slaughter them but, at the same time they are meat and i LOVE it. lol.

It is important to have protein intake, and for some vegitarians, the lack of can make one sick. but there are many other sources to get protein, like cheese and soy. the protein in soy is also very important for your body, for things like your heart. also if you are going to eat meat make sure that it is organic, because the way that animals lived previously will not contain as many chemicals, and not as bad of preservitives. like i've said i have beedn a veg for a long time, for a while i was vegan, and i had to take some supplements like calcium, but my hair is shinny and strong, and my nail are great (minus dirt from the barn). i have never had any veg related health problems. I actully have been sick a lot less, and i used to have bad stomache problems, that are no longer there. My good friend doesn't eat meat and majored in nutrition and other health areas. his body is amazing ;) and a health freak. his main reason is not the animals but the health benifits... i'm not saying that you should but just some other advice if you ever consider it. its common for people to think that being veg is not healthy, you just have to watch it, but i have never had problems, and really never went out of my way to stay healthy.

[jokerslastdude]

[QUOTE=jig]Slaughter isn't natural, therefore, a horse's role in nature is NOT to be slaughtered. QUOTE]


Oh, Ic.. I dont want to pick a fight, Im just curious how you decided that. How you justified that a horses role is NOT to be slaughtered, cuz why, you said so?
Just please clear this up for me

i actully didn't say that.. but this is where i get it...

are you made to be murdered? probably not.
like you i'm not trying to pick a fight i'm serisouly trying to give you my justification.
yes there is an overflow of horses that people don't want.
yes you maybe able to get $400 for it.
but hey i'm looking to save a horse currently, i'll pay you that $400 also!
there HAS to be a better way of doing it, i'd suggest some, but i'm sure someone will find a problem in that also.
and i think i've probably replied to to many comments, so i'll stop myself.

[jig]

actually, i have a synthetic saddle...

[jig]

[QUOTE=jig]Slaughter isn't natural, therefore, a horse's role in nature is NOT to be slaughtered. QUOTE]


Oh, Ic.. I dont want to pick a fight, Im just curious how you decided that. How you justified that a horses role is NOT to be slaughtered, cuz why, you said so?
Just please clear this up for me

SLAUGHTER IS NOT NATURAL! HOW CAN A CREATURES ROLE IN NATURE BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NATURAL?!

[jig]

Um do you not have a LEATHER saddle and LEATHER boots???? It so easy to be a vegetarian, I have seen many who r that have Nice leather items, WHERE in the world does that come from? A SLAUGHTERD COW. :)


Do you know what else is easy to be? Ignorant, not that I'm saying you are, I'm just saying...

[Masquerade]

[QUOTE=Walk*On]

SLAUGHTER IS NOT NATURAL! HOW CAN A CREATURES ROLE IN NATURE BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NATURAL?!
Good God, did you even read my post?

[jig]

Well, actually, since many dogs and cats(dogs especially) have been bred down so much, they wouldn't make it on their own. Domestication HAS become more natural. Also, because veggie corndogs are made out of natural ingredients, yea, they are pretty natural. Many say murder isn't natural, but, it is. So do some research once in a while. And don't b!tch at me about sitting in front of a computer when you're doing the same exact thing. Humans are NOT superior, and while, no, it isn't natural to ride horses, it also isn't killing them.

[jig]

And, no, I did not read your post, I read Walk*On's

[Jumper_Sassy]

That's true...although I would always give an animal a chance. And if they really are too dangerous, have them humanely euthanized, not slaughtered!

agreed. somethings have to be done but there is a better way to do that.

[live2ride2live]

Im new here, but I just read this threasd and everyones comments so here's mine:

I've been a vegetarian for a while now. I want to be a vet for the ASPCA when im older. Here's the thing, Im against slaughter totally! Its plain down inhumane and cruel to the animals. I think ppl should try their best for the horse, nom atter its temperament. If te horse is too severly agressive and a danger to itsself, other horses, and humans, then yes, its probably best to put it down HUMANELY! Yes, there is clausable reason for some horses to be put down, but really, thats not the way to do it ppl! They've served us through hundreds of years of war and strife! They've been our best friend, taught us lesson, and even protected us! Why, WHY , would we treat them like dirt as soon as they go just a lil lame, or lose their standings!? Leather........yes I use leather tack. I'm not for leather in genreal, but I try and avoid it as much as I can. I dont wear leather jackets or fur coats. But certain have to be leather, most shoes ,watches, wallets. Yes not all are leather, but the best ones are. I dont like using leather tack, but at this point in time its more durable than synthetic, maybe in a few year new materials will surface...im too tired to carry on........

[hunterjumperluv]

Um do you not have a LEATHER saddle and LEATHER boots???? It so easy to be a vegetarian, I have seen many who r that have Nice leather items, WHERE in the world does that come from? A SLAUGHTERD COW. :)
Cowgurl.... Thats called Vegan..... there is a difference between vegans and vegetarians.... get your facts straight!
And before you go on a rant at me.... I am neither of the two, I prefer my meat!

[jig]

Im new here, but I just read this threasd and everyones comments so here's mine:

I've been a vegetarian for a while now. I want to be a vet for the ASPCA when im older. Here's the thing, Im against slaughter totally! Its plain down inhumane and cruel to the animals. I think ppl should try their best for the horse, nom atter its temperament. If te horse is too severly agressive and a danger to itsself, other horses, and humans, then yes, its probably best to put it down HUMANELY! Yes, there is clausable reason for some horses to be put down, but really, thats not the way to do it ppl! They've served us through hundreds of years of war and strife! They've been our best friend, taught us lesson, and even protected us! Why, WHY , would we treat them like dirt as soon as they go just a lil lame, or lose their standings!? Leather........yes I use leather tack. I'm not for leather in genreal, but I try and avoid it as much as I can. I dont wear leather jackets or fur coats. But certain have to be leather, most shoes ,watches, wallets. Yes not all are leather, but the best ones are. I dont like using leather tack, but at this point in time its more durable than synthetic, maybe in a few year new materials will surface...im too tired to carry on........

well said. I think it's great that you want to be a vet, I would, but I'm not the best with blood and parasites and all that jazz :eek:

[lesley]

I am for slaughtering, as long as it is humane... But I'd rather keep it as it is as opposed to illegalizing it. If slaughter was banned, the horse market would be choked by poor quality and unwanted horses. Who is to take care of these horses? It would be devastating to breeders. Also, horses would probably then be sent to Mexico slaughter houses, which are A LOT worse than those in the U.S. and Canada.

[lesley]

where do they all go? what do you do with people if they die, you bury them, you cremate them.

Um, you forget that horses aren't people. :D

[lesley]

Slaughter isn't natural, therefore, a horse's role in nature is NOT to be slaughtered. Everything does have a role in nature, though, so what is our role? To destroy it? Because that is what we are doing. Just because something happens doesn't mean it should. Horses, and other animals, should NOT be slaughtered. Animals weren't put on this planet to feed us, as I have said. Vegetarian food is the BEST! Veggie corn dogs are the best! You can get a vegetarian version of almost all meats.

LOL. That's funny.

[live2ride2live]

Um, you forget that horses aren't people. :D

how can u even say that! no, theyre not human, theyre BETTER! thats wat i luv about animals. they have feelings! to me, the horses i ride a ten times as decent as most ppl i know, including me! they are forgiving, loyal, and tons of other things. u can c it in their eyes. plus, half of them think theyre human anyways!

[Masquerade]

Um, you forget that horses aren't people. :D
Thank you! *thumbsup*

[Masquerade]

how can u even say that! no, theyre not human, theyre BETTER! thats wat i luv about animals. they have feelings! to me, the horses i ride a ten times as decent as most ppl i know, including me! they are forgiving, loyal, and tons of other things. u can c it in their eyes. plus, half of them think theyre human anyways!
*snort* LMFAO!

[live2ride2live]

*snort* LMFAO!

let me ask u a simple question, do u luv horses? yes or no? if yes, how can u laugh at the notion and still be able to look your horse in the eye and give him afffection. it really makes you think, do u luv horses, or do u luv riding?

[Masquerade]

Well, actually, since many dogs and cats(dogs especially) have been bred down so much, they wouldn't make it on their own. Domestication HAS become more natural.
But domestication in itself isn’t natural.

Also, because veggie corndogs are made out of natural ingredients, yea, they are pretty natural.
Erm that's not what I meant at all, meat substitutions aren't natural. Meat is.

Many say murder isn't natural, but, it is.
agreed, we are all human.

So do some research once in a while.
you want ME to do research? jeus your native.

And don't b!tch at me about sitting in front of a computer when you're doing the same exact thing.
I wasn't bitching at you about it, I'm saying it isn't "natural" which you seem to want everything to be.

Humans are NOT superior
yes we are.

and while, no, it isn't natural to ride horses, it also isn't killing them.
you contradicted yourself again.

[Masquerade]

let me ask u a simple question, do u luv horses? yes or no? if yes, how can u laugh at the notion and still be able to look your horse in the eye and give him afffection. it really makes you think, do u luv horses, or do u luv riding?
Well Jeus, seeing as I spend most of my time on the ground with my horse, (at the barn 6 days a week, riding 2) and I don't even LIKE riding, I would say to some extent, yes I do love my horse. But my horse is an ANIMAL, and we share a different kind of "love" (if you insist on calling it love) than I do with my human friends and family members. If my horse was good and old, and had lived out his days, I wouldn't mind for him to go to slaughter. *shrug*

BTW, it's spelt L-O-V-E, not "luv"

[live2ride2live]

Well Jeus, seeing as I spend most of my time on the ground with my horse, (at the barn 6 days a week, riding 2) and I don't even LIKE riding, I would say to some extent, yes I do love my horse. But my horse is an ANIMAL, and we share a different kind of "love" (if you insist on calling it love) than I do with my human friends and family members. If my horse was good and old, and had lived out his days, I wouldn't mind for him to go to slaughter. *shrug*

i dont even know wat to say to that! w/e, i cant change your mind so why even bother

and ,yes, i know how to spell "love"

[Masquerade]

i dont even know wat to say to that! w/e, i cant change your mind so why even bother

and ,yes, i know how to spell "love"
O.o What would be so wrong with that?

[jig]

AHHHHHHHH MY BRAIN IS STARTING TO HURT FROM ALL THE IGNORANCE!!!!! Are live2ride2live and I the only ones here with hearts? Jeez, no wonder humans are on the brink of destroying the earth, so few seem to care! I though more people care, but I was wrong. And, lesley, I really don't like you...And, masquerade, why are you correcting live2ride2live when you're making typos and misspelling things, too? Go get a job so you can buy yourself a brain and a heart!

[live2ride2live]

Are live2ride2live and I the only ones here with hearts? Jeez, no wonder humans are on the brink of destroying the earth, so few seem to care! I thought more people care, but I was wrong. And, lesley, I really don't like you...And, masquerade, why are you correcting live2ride2live when you're making typos and misspelling things, too? Go get a job so you can buy yourself a brain and a heart!

THANK YOU! I mean, really.........

[jig]

And for all those that eat meat, if it's ok to eat a cow, why is it not ok to eat a person? I don't try to convert meat eaters to vegetarians, but I do voice my opinions when I feel it's neccessary

[Masquerade]

AHHHHHHHH MY BRAIN IS STARTING TO HURT FROM ALL THE IGNORANCE!!!!! Are live2ride2live and I the only ones here with hearts? Jeez, no wonder humans are on the brink of destroying the earth, so few seem to care! I though more people care, but I was wrong. And, lesley, I really don't like you...And, masquerade, why are you correcting live2ride2live when you're making typos and misspelling things, too? Go get a job so you can buy yourself a brain and a heart!
Where did I misspell something? And I would like to consider myself not ignorant. Let me ask YOU a question, what would you do with all the horses once you stopped slaughter? The ones standing in their own shit in a small barn with no lighting? What would you do with useless horses?

[Masquerade]

And for all those that eat meat, if it's ok to eat a cow, why is it not ok to eat a person? I don't try to convert meat eaters to vegetarians, but I do voice my opinions when I feel it's neccessary
Because humans are not raised by the mass for consumption. Humans are better than animals. Get it through your head!

[live2ride2live]

Have u ever seen the movie Seabiscuit? I luv (yes, luv) that movie! In there his future owner asks the future trainer wat use if a horse that will nvr race, or pull a cart. He tell him that you dont throw a life away just because its banged up a little. Horses that in horrible conditions are only in that position because of their owners, a HUMAN. They can still be rehomed and fixed up. Those who are beyond repair would probably have to be put down humanely. That is still a better fate than the one they would have had. Horses, just because they cant compete, are NOT useless. They are still capable of becoming some little girls best friend, maybe a companion to another horse, or just pretty to look at. I would die for a horse, no I don't have one. But I would love one! And then there's people like you who have a horse but as soon as it no more use to you would just throw it away like a piece of garbage!

About my "typos". They aren't typos. I may have few here and there but what you're talking about is slang. NOT a typo. Saying luv instead of love or wat instead of what. IT IS SLANG!

[Masquerade]

Have u ever seen the movie Seabiscuit? I luv (yes, luv) that movie! In there his future owner asks the future trainer wat use if a horse that will nvr race, or pull a cart. He tell him that you dont throw a life away just because its banged up a little. Horses that in horrible conditions are only in that position because of their owners, a HUMAN. They can still be rehomed and fixed up. Those who are beyond repair would probably have to be put down humanely. That is still a better fate than the one they would have had. Horses, just because they cant compete, are NOT useless. They are still capable of becoming some little girls best friend, maybe a companion to another horse, or just pretty to look at. I would die for a horse, no I don't have one. But I would love one! And then there's people like you who have a horse but as soon as it no more use to you would just throw it away like a piece of garbage!

About my "typos". They aren't typos. I may have few here and there but what you're talking about is slang. NOT a typo. Saying luv instead of love or wat instead of what. IT IS SLANG!
Where would you get the money to do all of this, I sure as hell am not paying more taxes.

And sending a horse to slaughter is far from throwing it away; it's sending the horse to be used, to feed people. If you ask me, keeping a horse around to “look at” instead of allowing it to feed people is stupid.

Wouldn't you rather a horse be put out of its misery than have to stand in a 6X4 stall for it's whole life, eating the wood and it's own manure?

Typo's and slang, slang and typos. Same thing.

[jig]

Where did I misspell something? And I would like to consider myself not ignorant. Let me ask YOU a question, what would you do with all the horses once you stopped slaughter? The ones standing in their own shit in a small barn with no lighting? What would you do with useless horses?

It's a shame that you would like to consider yourself not ignorant, 'cause you are. And there are PLENTY of places for these "useless" horses to go. Like my cousin's, for example, they have 300+ acres and are always willing to take on a few more horses, plus, my little cousin is dieing to find the perfect horse, which could very well be lined up for slaughter right now. There are also rescues and people with land that they are willing to use for horses. My question is what is being done with all the useless people?

[Masquerade]

And then there's people like you who have a horse but as soon as it no more use to you would just throw it away like a piece of garbage!
Erm yeah, that's why I keep Dennis around and pay $19 for a bag of his special grain, even though he can't be ridden anymore. :rolleyes: Only reason he isn't getting carted off is because he doesn't have any meat on him.

[jig]

Because humans are not raised by the mass for consumption. Humans are better than animals. Get it through your head!

Humans are NOT better than animals, humans are just more arrogant, and you are making an excellent example of human arrogance. While you're acting all superior, why don't you go cut down all the forests, drill fro oil in national parks, and kill off some endangered species. Then we'd be one step closer to the end of life on Earth.

[Masquerade]

It's a shame that you would like to consider yourself not ignorant, 'cause you are. And there are PLENTY of places for these "useless" horses to go. Like my cousin's, for example, they have 300+ acres and are always willing to take on a few more horses, plus, my little cousin is dieing to find the perfect horse, which could very well be lined up for slaughter right now. There are also rescues and people with land that they are willing to use for horses. My question is what is being done with all the useless people?

Ok, lets have you cousin take on the 40,000 horses a year that are slaughtered, see if he can handle the vet bills, the feeding costs, the trimmings on the feet. It sounds great but it just isn't realistic.

[jig]

Where would you get the money to do all of this, I sure as hell am not paying more taxes.

And sending a horse to slaughter is far from throwing it away; it's sending the horse to be used, to feed people. If you ask me, keeping a horse around to “look at” instead of allowing it to feed people is stupid.

Wouldn't you rather a horse be put out of its misery than have to stand in a 6X4 stall for it's whole life, eating the wood and it's own manure?

Typo's and slang, slang and typos. Same thing.

According to your profile, you're 14, and 14 yr olds don't pay taxes. And cannibles need to eat to, so why is it ok to kill a horse to feed people that eat horse, but not to kill a person to feed people that eat humans?

[jig]

Ok, lets have you cousin take on the 40,000 horses a year that are slaughtered, see if he can handle the vet bills, the feeding costs, the trimmings on the feet. It sounds great but it just isn't realistic.

You're ignoring the many rescues and citizens that would be willing to take on these horses.

[jig]

and dont say 'erm' it doesn't make any sense

[Masquerade]

Humans are NOT better than animals, humans are just more arrogant, and you are making an excellent example of human arrogance. While you're acting all superior, why don't you go cut down all the forests, drill fro oil in national parks, and kill off some endangered species. Then we'd be one step closer to the end of life on Earth.
Oh God, if you’re trying to feed me the global warming stuff, consider this:

Have you ever thought that humans as a species aren't as educated about the earth as we think we are, how do we know that this isn't something the earth does every thousand years, to replenish itself. We already know the earth had at least one ice age, it could have another anytime and we humans wouldn't even see it coming.

Stop saying I’m arrogant, you are just is bad, if not worse.

[Masquerade]

According to your profile, you're 14, and 14 yr olds don't pay taxes. And cannibles need to eat to, so why is it ok to kill a horse to feed people that eat horse, but not to kill a person to feed people that eat humans?
Nope, but my family sure does.

[Masquerade]

You're ignoring the many rescues and citizens that would be willing to take on these horses.
Hey, if you can stop slaughter, than more power to you! Try all you want but I'll believe it when I see it.

[jig]

Oh God, if you’re trying to feed me the global warming stuff, consider this:

Have you ever thought that humans as a species aren't as educated about the earth as we think we are, how do we know that this isn't something the earth does every thousand years, to replenish itself. We already know the earth had at least one ice age, it could have another anytime and we humans wouldn't even see it coming.

Stop saying I’m arrogant, you are just is bad, if not worse.

Arrogance is when you think you're better than everybody else and every other species. And the ice age will be caused by global warming caused by holes in the ozone layer caused be POLLUTION

[Masquerade]

Arrogance is when you think you're better than everybody else and every other species. And the ice age will be caused by global warming caused by holes in the ozone layer caused be POLLUTION
I'm sorry, does your family drive a car? Do you own a home? Do you take baths?

[jig]

I'm sorry, does your family drive a car? Do you own a home? Do you take baths?

We own a hybrid, but we usually walk, we do own a home and we do take baths...well, showers...but we try to keep everything running with solar power and wind power...no pollution there...

[Masquerade]

We own a hybrid, but we usually walk, we do own a home and we do take baths...well, showers...but we try to keep everything running with solar power and wind power...no pollution there...
Can i ask you a question without you getting offened? Do you belong to a PETA organization?

[HunterDreams]

I am for horse slaughter and nothing can change that. Horse slaughter is a necessiary evil. I'm with Masquerade all the way.

All you people who think it's "mean" and "cruel". Well think again, are you vegetarians? Do you eat meat? UH-OH! What about plants!? Everytime you eat an apple you are hurting a tree! :eek: *gasp*

One question: Where the heck would the horses go if they're not going to be slaughtered? No one has enough property to keep them, nor the money. Setting them free is just retarded. Don't even get me started on that. Industrial crap and buisnesses are taking everywhere over, so that is why the wild horses there are today are being taken with the round-up and sold. So let's add to the population! That would be so smart!

If you think you can change everything, go ahead..but you're NOT going to stop it.

Thats my 2 cents.
*eep, typos!*

[jig]

Can i ask you a question without you getting offened? Do you belong to a PETA organization?

I don't belong to any organizations.

[HunterDreams]

I don't belong to any organizations.

Hahahaha, I'll believe that when I see proof ;) .

[jig]

I am for horse slaughter and nothing can change that. Horse slaughter is a necessiary evil. I'm with Masquerade all the way.

All you people who think it's "mean" and "cruel". Well think again, are you vegetarians? Do you eat meat? UH-OH! What about plants!? Everytime to eat an apple you are hurting a tree! :eek: *gasp*

One question: Where the heck would the horses go if they're not going to be slaughtered? No one has enough property to keep them, nor the money. Setting them free is just retarded. Don't even get me started on that. Industrial crap and buisnesses are taking everywhere over, so that is why the wild horses there are today are being taken with the round-up and sold. So let's add to the population! That would be so smart!

If you think you can change everything, go ahead..but you're NOT going to stop it.

Thats my 2 cents.

If we stopped interfering with natural selection in humans we wouldn't be overpopulating, there'd be less business, and there would be more room for these horses. We just need to stop what we're doing and realize all that we're doing more damage than we are good. The nerves in plants are nothing like the nerves in animals, plants can't feel physical and emotional pain like animals can.

[Masquerade]

Do you eat meat? UH-OH! What about plants!? Everytime to eat an apple you are hurting a tree! :eek: *gasp*


LMFAOOOOOOO!

[jig]

Hahahaha, I'll believe that when I see proof ;) .

What proof do you want? I can't provide you with anything but my word.

[Masquerade]

What proof do you want? I can't provide you with anything but my word.
Suppose that means she'll never believe you. *shurg* Life goes on.

[jokerslastdude]

THANK YOU! I mean, really.........

hi i'm really with both of you on this...


if ignorance is blis, then blis must be some sort of hell

[HunterDreams]

If we stopped interfering with natural selection in humans we wouldn't be overpopulating, there'd be less business, and there would be more room for these horses. We just need to stop what we're doing and realize all that we're doing more damage than we are good. The nerves in plants are nothing like the nerves in animals, plants can't feel physical and emotional pain like animals can.

And who is going to do that? I highly doubt you're a vegetarian. So how can you be against "horse slaughter" but you're not against pigs, cows, chickens etc.. being slaughtered. You obviously need a wake up call because I know if you were an dairy farmer only for milk, and loved your precious cows and calves you wouldn't want them to be slaughtered. Don't be so close minded and try to see the other side. But the avid dairy farmer (not for meat) would agree that "cow slaughter" is something that needs to be done, they might not like it but they accept the fact no matter what it's going to happen.

This world isn't all lollipops and ponies dancing on rainbows.

[HunterDreams]

What proof do you want? I can't provide you with anything but my word.

It was meant more of a joke, because you certainly post like you are from PETA. I didn't mean it to be offensive at all ;) .

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree?

[jig]

I'm Against Slaughter Of All Animals, I Said That Before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jig]

It was meant more of a joke, because you certainly post like you are from PETA. I didn't mean it to be offensive at all ;) .

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree?

Well, I'm not part of any organization.

[HunterDreams]

So you're a vegetarian?

*I haven't read this whole topic nor do I want to so, sorry if I ask questions that have been answered ;) *

[Masquerade]

if ignorance is blis, then blis must be some sort of hell
It's really quite nice... things are going well. It's summer, I'm going to Colorado in a few weeks, and my new horse is coming on Thursday.... :D

[HunterDreams]

Well, I'm not part of any organization.
I know, I believe you.

[HunterDreams]

It's really quite nice... things are going well. It's summer, I'm going to Colorado in a few weeks, and my new horse is coming on Thursday.... :D


ALLLIII! *jumps on* I shall call you moo! lmfao, moo is such a cool name :D and that shall be your name!

[jig]

Yes, I'm a vegetarian.

[jokerslastdude]

I am for horse slaughter and nothing can change that. Horse slaughter is a necessiary evil. I'm with Masquerade all the way.

All you people who think it's "mean" and "cruel". Well think again, are you vegetarians? Do you eat meat? UH-OH! What about plants!? Everytime to eat an apple you are hurting a tree! :eek: *gasp*

One question: Where the heck would the horses go if they're not going to be slaughtered? No one has enough property to keep them, nor the money. Setting them free is just retarded. Don't even get me started on that. Industrial crap and buisnesses are taking everywhere over, so that is why the wild horses there are today are being taken with the round-up and sold. So let's add to the population! That would be so smart!

If you think you can change everything, go ahead..but you're NOT going to stop it.

Thats my 2 cents.

are you serious? a tree doesn't have a brain minus the cell neuclous...

maybe instead of tourturing an animal then you could humanly put it to sleep, who ever said to set them free? a 5-yr old? no. all we have been trying to say is that there is a better way. I'm going to be going to grad school to become a vet, i have a farm that i own with my father, and i train horses (sorry not show horses... oooo no what kind of trainer am i?!?!) and we are always willing to take in those animals. there are more people out there. but there are other ways of killing an animal.

[jig]

It's really quite nice... things are going well. It's summer, I'm going to Colorado in a few weeks, and my new horse is coming on Thursday.... :D

I find it disturbing that you're getting another horse, but I have to go

[Masquerade]

I find it disturbing that you're getting another horse, but I have to go
You may find it disturbing, but I find it exciting! *spins in chair*

[jokerslastdude]

So you're a vegetarian?

*I haven't read this whole topic nor do I want to so, sorry if I ask questions that have been answered ;) *
\
10 years and counting, and vegan for many of it too

[HunterDreams]

Yes, I'm a vegetarian.

then props to you because you follow up what you say. I respect people who don't say they're against slaughter but eat the meat ;) , so all the power to you.

[HunterDreams]

I find it disturbing that you're getting another horse, but I have to go
Why would you find it disturbing somebody is getting another horse? *blinks*

[QHArabDonkey]

"If we stopped interfering with natural selection in humans we wouldn't be overpopulating "

^ while reading all this i kept saying these people are takeing all this to personally and not leaveing it at a debate status , then i get to this asanine statement. where in your handicapped mind did you get that from ? i know if your mother or father were dieing you would want to do everything you could to save them instead of carrying them outside for the coyotes to slowly rip apart. 90% of you are to uneducated about the finacial side of this problem , there is no way to save them , can't turn them lose , there are only so many rescues out there , and these people that are dieing to have a horse , at least 3 out of every 10 are probaly the ones that will end up mistreating there horse(s) , i applaud all of you for your open opinions , but think smart , not stupid.....


Andrew**

[Masquerade]

"If we stopped interfering with natural selection in humans we wouldn't be overpopulating "

^ while reading all this i kept saying these people are takeing all this to personally and not leaveing it at a debate status , then i get to this asanine statement. where in your handicapped mind did you get that from ? i know if your mother or father were dieing you would want to do everything you could to save them instead of carrying them outside for the coyotes to slowly rip apart. 90% of you are to uneducated about the finacial side of this problem , there is no way to save them , can't turn them lose , there are only so many rescues out there , and these people that are dieing to have a horse , at least 3 out of every 10 are probaly the ones that will end up mistreating there horse(s) , i applaud all of you for your open opinions , but think smart , not stupid.....


Andrew**
*thumbsup* Thank you for clearing that up, maybe a fresh face will force them to see the light. :)

[jig]

So it's ok to spend millions of dollars on stem cell research and nuclear proliferation, bringing the world closer to an end, but it's not ok to attempt to rescue horses? And it's ok to spend just as much money sending people to war over oil? I'm not saying I wouldn't want to save my parents, I'm saying that if it's their time to go, I'm gonna let them. Living on a machine isn't really living. The money spent doing this would be better spent saving the animals and plants that we're destroying. It's pretty obvious that the Earth is pissed as it is, and it's pissed because we constantly destroy the little beauty that remains, and I'm not just talking about horses. You can think I'm crazy, I couldn't care less, I just want you all to see where I'm coming from.

[jig]

Why would you find it disturbing somebody is getting another horse? *blinks*

Because of a comment she made saying she would send her horse to slaughter if he had more meat on his bones.

[live2ride2live]

I completly understand all the financial points to this topic. Im not debating that the funds are scarce to back up the ainti slaughter campaign. Im simply saying there is money for it, its just being used for other uses at the moment. It being used on things that are not as important, as well as some things that are. But the point we are trying to make is that not matter there are the funds for it or not, it is wrong either way! :mad: We are also not saying that there is no use for horse slaughter, we are simply saying that there is a better way to do it!!!!!!!!!

[jig]

EXACTLY! We know money's an issue, we're just saying that something can and should be done about slaughter...all kinds of slaughter, not just horse slaughter. However, until something is done, there will be people like live2ride2live and myself that are going to voice their opinions as much and as loud as they can, so just deal with it.

[HunterDreams]

*thumbsup* Thank you for clearing that up, maybe a fresh face will force them to see the light. :)

Deeto. Thanks for that.

However, until something is done, there will be people like live2ride2live and myself that are going to voice their opinions as much and as loud as they can, so just deal with it.

Yes, and there will be people like Ali, QHArabDonkey, and myself who will voice their opinions as loud as they can, so just deal with it.

There will always be two sides, and there won't ever be a winner as far as I'm concerned.

;)

[live2ride2live]

so basically the only thing we can agree on is to disagree, but im not happy about it.................................... :cool:

[QHArabDonkey]

i never said i was pro or con to it , i'll agree that there is a better way to do it , but theres no solution. none of the big breeders will stop breeding for profit , horse raceing will always be around. its great that people are trying to find a way around it , but to look at it from an intellegent responsible point of view , theres not enough money in the world to save every horse that needs saveing. even euthanizeing the mass amount of horses that go to slaughter would be costly. not to mention the burial / cremation of them all. i don't like the thought of someone eating a horse , it disgusts me. yes animals feel pain , have emotions , no one here will deny that. but there is no simple solution. we can't cut funds from other things that can and will help us (ex. stem cell research) if you want to cut a fund , cut cloneing , theres no reason for it. to many people are misinformed here , get your rose colored glasses off and look at the reality of the situation........


Andrew**

[HunterDreams]

so basically the only thing we can agree on is to disagree,

That's what I said before ;) .

[QHArabDonkey]

i agree to disagree also , but its fun to debate , although it loses its amusement when you debate with those that can't hold up there end.......



Andrew**

[Masquerade]

Because of a comment she made saying she would send her horse to slaughter if he had more meat on his bones.
Please, you should have been able to tell that had sarcasm seeping through it. I wouldn't slaughter my own horses, but I have nothing against people that do. Plus I have no idea how I would get Dennis into a trailer... :rolleyes: .

[Savanna]

so basically the only thing we can agree on is to disagree, but im not happy about it.................................... :cool:

That what I was thinking. Posts about subjects like this always become a fight.

[jig]

I'm not happy about it, either, probably because I go to a hippie school, and we never simply "agree to disagree"

[HunterDreams]

i agree to disagree also , but its fun to debate , although it loses its amusement when you debate with those that can't hold up there end.......


Andrew**

*cough I AGREE cough*

[HunterDreams]

BTW QHArabDonkey, I'm adding you to my buddy list is that ok on here, is that ok?

[QHArabDonkey]

go for it hunter lol at least someone here likes me LMBO look at other forums if you wonder why i said that lol

[butterflyfx]

I'm not happy about it, either, probably because I go to a hippie school, and we never simply "agree to disagree"

so THAT'S what's wrong with you! :D

and on the subject of ignorance; do you not realize that by using slang you are destroying the english language? what happened to proper grammar and spelling? :eek:

[QHArabDonkey]

and on the subject of ignorance; do you not realize that by using slang you are destroying the english language? what happened to proper grammar and spelling?


AMEN !! , i can't stand slang , i know i have a few typos here and there , but good lord i hate slang , it just represents other problems society has with youth not understand that the way you present yourself , even on here , shows who you are


Andrew**

[jig]

Ok, I'm in AP English, the english language is crammed down my throat during the school year, but it's summer, and I DON'T CARE! And, as much as you may hate it, EVERYBODY uses slang. During the school year, I usually don't, but during the summer, I don't really care. And, QHArabDonkey, we're not the ones with issues holding up our end of the debate, you are, however, this debate will probably end with a debate about politics, which I am even more outspoken about. And, butterflyfx, you should come to my hippie school, learn a little about life, politics, and the world, and then relax by getting high.

[jig]

and on the subject of ignorance; do you not realize that by using slang you are destroying the english language? what happened to proper grammar and spelling?


AMEN !! , i can't stand slang , i know i have a few typos here and there , but good lord i hate slang , it just represents other problems society has with youth not understand that the way you present yourself , even on here , shows who you are


Andrew**

You have no idea who I am, go ahead, take a guess as to who I REALLY am.

[jig]

Oh yea, and QHArabdonkey, I read your blurbs in your profile, you need to get back to school and review the english language, yourself :)

[QHArabDonkey]

will the childish antics ever cease ? the way you present yourself is how others view you , i know my blurbs contain absolutely zero slang. typos yes , barely anyone can type perfectly. but alas your trying to make it personal , not my thing , if i wanted to play childish games i would just go to talk to an elementary school and still get more from a conversation then i would with you.

and by the way , i hate hippies


Andrew**

[QHArabDonkey]

and by the way jig , your 15 , you have no life to say you've learned about , have you ever lived on your own ? do you support yourself and your horses , i doubt that. before attacking others get the facts , once you've had to go hungry so your horses can eat , then you can talk about life , but until then , get a grip on reality and eat a steak.


Andrew**

[Walk*On]

[QUOTE=Walk*On]

SLAUGHTER IS NOT NATURAL! HOW CAN A CREATURES ROLE IN NATURE BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NATURAL?!



Did I say anywhere in that post that It was natural and horses are meant to be slaughtered? If youi read my earlier posts I am not one personally for it. Some horses are BRED like that and don't know any other lifestyles. Some sheep are companions, and other sheep are bred to be chopped up and served in that stew you are about to eat. Same with cows, AND in some cases horses.

No body (in my experiece) has been INTERESTED in horses and wanted to see them slaughtered or hurt in anyway. I think the main thing here is how it is in MOST cases in-humane. Slaughter is out there. Fat chance in getting it to stop just becuase you are a horse lover. Try to stop cow slaughter. Fat chance. Just because people dont have cows as a pet (usually) does that mean they should be slaughtered becuase they aren't as good to look at? Sure horse slaughter is frowned upon but what about cow slaughter? Does anyone ever stop to think about that? Its basically the same thing. They were BRED and RAISED to get slaughtered, but in some cases, cows are killed too and chopped up. Where is the fuss in that? Where is the fuss in goats being slaughtered? Just becuase you LOVE horses doesnt mean that they arent supposed to be slaughtered but since cows and goats are ugly (IMO sorry for all you cow/goat lovers out there) and WE have no use for them in our own leisure way, its alright to kill them and have Them for supper? If you think about it, WE are ALL animals. From humans, horses, cows, Pigs, goats whatever, we are all animals so I dont see why horses being slaughtered is SO different then anyother animal.


Sorry for the novel. I just want to state my OPINION. I love my horse and everyhorse out there and dont like to see or hear of any of them being hurt in anyway. I have a horse of my own, of course I dont support horse slaughter, but im trying to put it on perspective and compare it to the other animals that get slaughtered everyday that people tend to forget about.

[QHArabDonkey]

my pygmy goat is cute...........







Andrew**

[jig]

[QUOTE=jig]



Did I say anywhere in that post that It was natural and horses are meant to be slaughtered? If youi read my earlier posts I am not one personally for it. Some horses are BRED like that and don't know any other lifestyles. Some sheep are companions, and other sheep are bred to be chopped up and served in that stew you are about to eat. Same with cows, AND in some cases horses.

No body (in my experiece) has been INTERESTED in horses and wanted to see them slaughtered or hurt in anyway. I think the main thing here is how it is in MOST cases in-humane. Slaughter is out there. Fat chance in getting it to stop just becuase you are a horse lover. Try to stop cow slaughter. Fat chance. Just because people dont have cows as a pet (usually) does that mean they should be slaughtered becuase they aren't as good to look at? Sure horse slaughter is frowned upon but what about cow slaughter? Does anyone ever stop to think about that? Its basically the same thing. They were BRED and RAISED to get slaughtered, but in some cases, cows are killed too and chopped up. Where is the fuss in that? Where is the fuss in goats being slaughtered? Just becuase you LOVE horses doesnt mean that they arent supposed to be slaughtered but since cows and goats are ugly (IMO sorry for all you cow/goat lovers out there) and WE have no use for them in our own leisure way, its alright to kill them and have Them for supper? If you think about it, WE are ALL animals. From humans, horses, cows, Pigs, goats whatever, we are all animals so I dont see why horses being slaughtered is SO different then anyother animal.


Sorry for the novel. I just want to state my OPINION. I love my horse and everyhorse out there and dont like to see or hear of any of them being hurt in anyway. I have a horse of my own, of course I dont support horse slaughter, but im trying to put it on perspective and compare it to the other animals that get slaughtered everyday that people tend to forget about.

It's not just sheep and cows and horses, it's also dogs and cats, all kinds of slaughter disgust me. Racism happens, doesn't mean it's right. Slaughter happens, doesn't mean it's right.

[QHArabDonkey]

vegetarians happen , that doesnt mean its right.........







Andrew**

[QHArabDonkey]

hey jigy , why don't you post what you sent me in an email ? im sure that would really show who you are. time to put your big girl pants on , grow up or shut up , if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch and lick the bowl. im sure there are more ways to say that , but you get the point...


Andrew**

[tacotory]

This topic has been around the circle at least 10 times. Everyone has given their 5 cents. It's getting way too personal here.

Enough.......

[butterflyfx]

if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch and lick the bowl.
but dogs eat MEAT QHarabdonkey, and jiggy is a vegetarian! it should be more like...if you can't play with the big snails, stay under the rock. :cool:

okay, that was the last thing tacitory, i promise. :D

[HunterDreams]

vegetarians happen , that doesnt mean its right.........







Andrew**
LMFAO, LMFAO, LMAO, LMFAO!

:D :D

[QHArabDonkey]

Tory , i agree 100% , im throwing my white flag in,..............





Andrew**

[Masquerade]

it should be more like...if you can't play with the big snails, stay under the rock. :cool:


LMFAO....LMFAO....LMFAO....L...M...F...A...O!!!!!!!!!!

[Masquerade]

This topic has been around the circle at least 10 times. Everyone has given their 5 cents. It's getting way too personal here.

Enough.......
If you want to see personal you should see some of the PM's I've been getting... :p .

Agreed, however. Truce all?

[HunterDreams]

Truce? LOL. Truces make me laugh for some reason. Maybe cos they remind me of turnips? Don't even ask, I'm twisted.

So yeah, whatever. Truce. *shakes hands with everyone*

[PhantomPhanatic]

I did a report on horse slaughter (a persuasive speech about why slaughter should be stopped) and in order to do it I had to get a lot of information to support my beliefs and I read that some of the horses had nothing wrong with them, some of them were caught from the wild and during the auction they were sold to someone who would send it to the slaughter house. They do it for MONEY! I also say videos from how they do it and it's the most disturbing thing I've ever seen! They shoot the horse in the forehead with a huge nailgun-like machine and most of the time it doesnt kill them on the first shot.. so not only are they in a small chute that's covered in blood (causes the horse to slip and cause more pain) but they're also being tortured with a huge nail for no reason! Sometimes the horse isnt even dead when they release it from the chute!

Butterflyfx.... the horse meat that they eat in France is from the United States.. and it's not like it's the same thing as killing the cows, chickens, and pigs because they're actually RAISED for being used as meat.. horses are sent there by mean people who couldn't care less about what happens, or don't completely understand the torture the horse goes through, or like I said before, they're bought at auctions and brought back to the factory when they're not allowed to be..

Ok.. I know that was super long.. but I needed to say it

[HunterDreams]

Slaughter isn't natural, therefore, a horse's role in nature is NOT to be slaughtered. Everything does have a role in nature, though, so what is our role? To destroy it? Because that is what we are doing. Just because something happens doesn't mean it should. Horses, and other animals, should NOT be slaughtered. Animals weren't put on this planet to feed us, as I have said. Vegetarian food is the BEST! Veggie corn dogs are the best! You can get a vegetarian version of almost all meats.

Just reading the topic, and I was wondering who told you that animals aren't on this planet for food? Is that just what you go by? Or are you religious?

I know it's none of my buisness, but are you Catholic or Christian?

[jig]

Just reading the topic, and I was wondering who told you that animals aren't on this planet for food? Is that just what you go by? Or are you religious?

I know it's none of my buisness, but are you Catholic or Christian?

Actually, I'm Wiccan. However, I do know that in the bible it says that plants were put on the earth for us to eat, NOT animals.

[jig]

I did a report on horse slaughter (a persuasive speech about why slaughter should be stopped) and in order to do it I had to get a lot of information to support my beliefs and I read that some of the horses had nothing wrong with them, some of them were caught from the wild and during the auction they were sold to someone who would send it to the slaughter house. They do it for MONEY! I also say videos from how they do it and it's the most disturbing thing I've ever seen! They shoot the horse in the forehead with a huge nailgun-like machine and most of the time it doesnt kill them on the first shot.. so not only are they in a small chute that's covered in blood (causes the horse to slip and cause more pain) but they're also being tortured with a huge nail for no reason! Sometimes the horse isnt even dead when they release it from the chute!

Butterflyfx.... the horse meat that they eat in France is from the United States.. and it's not like it's the same thing as killing the cows, chickens, and pigs because they're actually RAISED for being used as meat.. horses are sent there by mean people who couldn't care less about what happens, or don't completely understand the torture the horse goes through, or like I said before, they're bought at auctions and brought back to the factory when they're not allowed to be..

Ok.. I know that was super long.. but I needed to say it

Many of the horses being sold for meat were also stolen. Less than half of the horses being sold for meat were actually bred for meat. Mustangs, ex-racehorses, family pets, are being killed daily, and all of you that are NOT opposed to it think it's ok?

[jig]

hey jigy , why don't you post what you sent me in an email ? im sure that would really show who you are. time to put your big girl pants on , grow up or shut up , if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch and lick the bowl. im sure there are more ways to say that , but you get the point...


Andrew**

Because it was directed towards you, and no one else

[jig]

vegetarians happen , that doesnt mean its right.........







Andrew**

The choice to be a vegetarian only affects the person who chooses to be a vegetarian. Racism affects just about everybody, and slaughter affects all of the innocent animals that are killed.

[QHArabDonkey]

i have no rule in here , but this discussion needs to cease ! , its getting ridiculous , its lost its original point , debateing horse slaughter. so everyone , please just give it up before someone ends up getting booted from this site.
we're all horse people who have a strong love for horses , lets just leave it at the fact , none of us like it..... so please all of you that will read this , let it alone , don't bother posting again. this debate has been drug through the mud , its over............



Andrew**

[tacotory]

Andrew is right- this disscussion is over.

This thread left it's original intent about 13 pages of posts ago.

I love the fact that people are starting threads about meaningful topics. Healthy debate is what this country was built on. Here's my problem- let's keep this forum from becoming a childish rant. A debate ceases to be a debate when personal/ emotional attacks start to get thrown in.

We are all on this site because we love horses. I hope with that tie that we can find a common ground of respect . This world would be a really boring place if everyone thought the same way. No one opinion is more valid than another. The problem is that because our opinion is our own, we tend to think that it's the only right one. The beauty of an opinion is that in each individual's mind, you're right.

Please keep the discussions civil. I don't want to ban anyone from the site, but if I see a pattern develop, I will.

[butterflyfx]

Racism affects just about everybody, and slaughter affects all of the innocent animals that are killed.
how would racism effect me? i don't care if someone calls me a stupid white kid. :D hah. you are twisting the way you are describing this...racism effects those it happens to, being a vegetarian effects those it happens to, and slaughter effects the animals it happens to. i'm sure my horse isn't in a support group discussing her buddies that were hauled away to be butchered.

the only difference i see in this is that being a vegetarian is a choice, being slaughtered or slandered because of your race is because of someone else...is that what you were getting at? but i do see a difference in all 3...racism is people versus people; something that is a result of a bad history. people are equal, or are supposed to be. being a vegetarian is people versus self...you have the choice to eat what you want...it effects nobody else. (and if it does, there's a problem.) and horses being slaughtered are people versus the environment. unfortunately, people were the ones that were "clever" enough and "resourceful" enough (although i know many stupid people..) to be dominant on this planet. if horses were meant to be our equals, don't you think that they would be equally as dominant as us?

and no, as i said on the first page of this ridiculous argument (yes, ridiculous...you aren't going to change my mind, and i probably won't be changing yours any time soon.) that i do NOT agree with the way they are slaughtered....they should make sure the horse is ACTUALLY dead before they hang it by it's leg and slit it's throat to drain the blood.

so lets let this die...neither side is "winning" the fight, although it has been good to hear both sides. :)

[Masquerade]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/Alicat979/thThatsRacist.gif
...sorry... it just seemed so... FITTING!

[HunterDreams]

how would racism effect me? i don't care if someone calls me a stupid white kid. :D hah. you are twisting the way you are describing this...racism effects those it happens to, being a vegetarian effects those it happens to, and slaughter effects the animals it happens to. i'm sure my horse isn't in a support group discussing her buddies that were hauled away to be butchered.




Ummm, helloo nobody said everybody. "Just about", the key words here ;) .

I personally have gone through some pretty tough racism and I didn't care at first but when it got so bad I didn't want to show any skin, or go to school then it affected me and I never thought it would, so watch what you say -- it might bite you in the ass sooner or later! (Are we allowed minor swear words here?)

LMFAO ALI!

[Walk*On]

Is this about rasism or horse slaughter?

Im not going to say horse slaughtering is wrong cuz in my opinoin (key work OPINION) horse slaughter isnt wrong I just dont support it. Go be a porn star. I dont think its wrong but i DONT support it.

[HunterDreams]

Is this about rasism or horse slaughter?

Im not going to say horse slaughtering is wrong cuz in my opinoin (key work OPINION) horse slaughter isnt wrong I just dont support it. Go be a porn star. I dont think its wrong but i DONT support it.


LMAO. Go be a porn star, :p .

[QHArabDonkey]

Andrew is right- this disscussion is over.

This thread left it's original intent about 13 pages of posts ago.

I love the fact that people are starting threads about meaningful topics. Healthy debate is what this country was built on. Here's my problem- let's keep this forum from becoming a childish rant. A debate ceases to be a debate when personal/ emotional attacks start to get thrown in.

We are all on this site because we love horses. I hope with that tie that we can find a common ground of respect . This world would be a really boring place if everyone thought the same way. No one opinion is more valid than another. The problem is that because our opinion is our own, we tend to think that it's the only right one. The beauty of an opinion is that in each individual's mind, you're right.

Please keep the discussions civil. I don't want to ban anyone from the site, but if I see a pattern develop, I will.

did anyone besides me read this ?


Andrew**

[live2ride2live]

did anyone besides me read this ?


Andrew**


don't worry i read it, why do u think i hvnt postd anything in a while, ive given up, truce....

[HunterDreams]

Yaa, I read it :P .

Oh well, personally I think we've defended each side very well!

[Walk*On]

I eat meat. I eat it like everyday. Shoot me why dont you?


you guys (im not trying to label) who are "against" it, LOOK AROUND! Your a vegetarian eh? Your funny. Your ass is parked on leather. What do you think that couch is made out of? Potatoe sacks? Uhh noo sorry... not likey. Unles you obessess over the fact about slaughter and how it is 'wrong" stop obsessin over something that you DO support on some levels. Dont like leather furniture? Find a paper box.